Strilanc comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 113 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Strilanc 01 March 2015 02:56:38AM *  1 point [-]

I made my suggestion.

Assuming you can take down the death eaters, I think the correct follow-up for despawning LV is... massed somnium.

We've seen somnium be effective at range in the past, taking down an actively dodging broomstick rider at range. We've seen the resonance hit LV harder than Harry, requiring tens of minutes to recover versus seconds.

LV is not wearing medieval armor to block the somnium. LV is way up high, too far away to have good accuracy with a hand gun.If LV dodges behind something, Harry has time to expecto patronum a message out.

... I think the main risk is LV apparating away, apparating back directly behind harry, and pulling the trigger.

Comment author: TylerJay 02 March 2015 07:17:36AM 3 points [-]

"Stuporfy" would probably be the better option here. Yes, it's visible, but LV doesn't know about swerving stunners, since Flitwick never demonstrated it in public. It's probably the best chance Harry has of triggering a resonance by casting a spell, assuming he can fire one off.

Comment author: Jost 01 March 2015 08:29:01PM 1 point [-]

Assuming you can take down the death eaters

That’s one heck of an assumption …

In addition, you’re making the implicit assumption that LV will not react to Harry taking down the Death Eaters, which is an interesting assumption, as well.

Comment author: Strilanc 01 March 2015 08:33:26PM 2 points [-]

Well, yeah. The particular case I had in mind was exploiting partial+ordered transfiguration to lobotomize/brain-acid the death eaters, and I grant that that has practical problems.

But I found myself thinking about using patronus and other complicated things to take down LV after, instead of exploiting weak spells being made effective by the resonance. So I put the idea out there.

Comment author: noahpocalypse 01 March 2015 05:33:50AM 3 points [-]

I think you forgot the 37(?) Death Eaters pointing their wands at Harry. You also forgot Voldie's famed reflexes, and a bullet definitely goes faster than a spell.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 02 March 2015 03:38:11AM 1 point [-]

Do bullets go faster than spells, or is it that it's faster to pull a trigger than to cast a spell?

Comment author: noahpocalypse 02 March 2015 02:28:36PM 2 points [-]

We've heard of wizards dodging spells.

Comment author: TobyBartels 03 March 2015 02:34:06AM 0 points [-]

It's also possible that Wizards are fast enough to dodge bullets.

(In the movies, the movements are much too slow to dodge bullets, but I wouldn't count that.)

Comment author: Strilanc 01 March 2015 05:58:15AM 2 points [-]

If I may quote from my post:

Assuming you can take down the death eaters, I think the correct follow-up

and:

LV is way up high, too far away to have good accuracy with a hand gun.

Comment author: Nornagest 01 March 2015 05:11:00AM *  1 point [-]

Against a person-sized target, if its user is a decent shot, your average modern handgun is accurate to about twenty-five meters. Voldemort probably isn't that far away, and I'd expect him to know what he's doing. He's shooting one-handed, and left-handed at that, but I wouldn't rely on that.

On the other hand, when he was laying out his plan, he was going to have one of his mooks shoot Harry. That's unlike him, and it might point to him still being bound by his Riddle curse, or to enough caution over unintended consequences to take the gun out of play for the moment.