Romashka comments on Rationality Quotes Thread March 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Romashka 17 March 2015 09:01:39PM *  2 points [-]

Don't people who go to amusement parks or Disneyland basically pay other people in order to have a daydream session? I mean, I can't imagine people walking around dreaming about winning a lottery, it would be Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. (Now that's a book about humanity outcompeted by a more profitable life form under the guidance of an omnipotent being.)

Comment author: Lumifer 17 March 2015 09:15:41PM 3 points [-]

Don't people who go to amusement parks or Disneyland basically pay other people in order to have a daydream session?

No, they pay other people to provide experiences for them, experiences which they can't get otherwise on their own.

Comment author: Romashka 17 March 2015 09:36:05PM 1 point [-]

How is 'you can safely put on a princess's dress when you are in certain company, and pay in some amount of social embarrassment if you are wrong about the company' different from 'you can safely pay a small amount for a chance to put on any dress you want in any company whatsoever'? Buying a ticket is an experience you can't get otherwise on your own. (I mean yes, I largely agree with you, but I am not sure what exactly I agree with, therefore the nitpicking.)

Comment author: Lumifer 18 March 2015 02:34:13PM 2 points [-]

How is 'you can safely put on a princess's dress when you are in certain company, and pay in some amount of social embarrassment if you are wrong about the company' different from 'you can safely pay a small amount for a chance to put on any dress you want in any company whatsoever'?

Huh? I don't understand.

Comment author: Romashka 18 March 2015 03:35:36PM 2 points [-]

Well, in what way is buying a ticket not paying other people to provide you an experience which you can't get otherwise on your own? Earning money is different, you expect to be paid a fixed sum and for many, there are multiple ways to do it.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 March 2015 03:38:26PM *  -1 points [-]

Well, in what way is buying a ticket not paying other people to provide you an experience which you can't get otherwise on your own?

In the way that I can, on my own, daydream about having a million dollars. I don't need to pay other people for that.

Comment author: Epictetus 18 March 2015 03:47:03PM 1 point [-]

If you want a strictly positive chance at getting a million dollars and the thrill of looking up the lottery drawings to see if you won, then you have to pay for it. People buy lottery tickets to have a fleeting, tangible hope, not just an imagined one.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 March 2015 03:56:00PM -1 points [-]

If you want a strictly positive chance at getting a million dollars

You have a strictly positive chance of having a rich and unknown to you relative die and leave her fortune to you.

the thrill

Ah, that's a good point. Yes, if you want the gambling thrill, then you have to pay for it, I agree. However from the expected-loss point of view, going to a casino is much better than buying lottery tickets...

Comment author: Nornagest 18 March 2015 04:47:25PM 0 points [-]

For that matter, there's a strictly positive chance that a meteor made of two tons of platinum will fall from the sky tomorrow and flatten my car in the driveway before I'm done brushing my teeth. The probability of almost anything you can think of is going to be positive, unless it's physically impossible -- and even there you have model uncertainty to take into account.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 March 2015 04:53:44PM 0 points [-]

Yes, of course, which is why talking about "strictly positive chances" in this context (of suddenly acquiring wealth) is kinda silly.