William_Quixote comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 114 + chapter 115 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: William_Quixote 03 March 2015 06:34:20PM 29 points [-]

Other note. Dumbeldore defeated Voldemort. He placed Minerva to intercept any discoveries of Harry and he made Harry swear not to tell anyone about it. This left Voldemort underprepaired against the weapon that got him in the end. Dumbeldore had a million plots going, and this one worked. Sometiems one is all you need.

Comment author: SilentCal 03 March 2015 07:59:47PM 8 points [-]

Also don't forget trapping himself in the mirror rather than Harry.

Comment author: WalterL 03 March 2015 07:43:28PM 0 points [-]

I dunno, it seems like you could say Dumbledore's Father and Mother defeated Voldemort, they had a child who was intelligent enough to do those things you said.

More seriously, it was a causal chain. Pretty much everyone involved was crucial.

If I had to give credit to one party in particular it would be the entity or entities which hands out prophecies (I suspect this is Future!Hermione, but we'll see). Voldemort's first defeat was caused by his attempts to fulfill the first in his own way. His second was caused by his attempt to comprehensively thwart the second.

Comment author: MathMage 03 March 2015 07:52:55PM 2 points [-]

Over/under on there being such entities at all? It's certainly possible that our current understanding of where prophecies come from is incomplete, but the story doesn't seem to have set it up as particularly likely.

Comment author: WalterL 03 March 2015 08:12:45PM 1 point [-]

Ok, 5 chapters left, I have a , lets call it 70% surety that there is more left than wrapup. 1-3 chapters would be enough for that. I think there will also be a flashforward to whatever the big triumph is. Ending Death, optimizing the world, colonizing space, gaining Root on the Source of Magic, which is stored in the Mirror...

Comment author: TobyBartels 03 March 2015 11:48:57PM 2 points [-]

I think there will also be a flashforward to whatever the big triumph is.

An epilogue, as in Rowling's books?

Comment author: MathMage 03 March 2015 08:21:56PM 1 point [-]

I would say at least 95% certainty that there's more than wrapup left, but it sounds like handing out prophecies is pretty far down on the list of additional things to cover.

Comment author: WalterL 03 March 2015 08:32:00PM 2 points [-]

I have a sort of uber-theory that's been hanging over me since Harry heard the whisper to meet Hermione Granger on the train, since he felt irrationally certain that Magic was real back in the very first chapters.

This theory is that Future!Harry, or a friend, Future!Hermione is the one who most fits the bill, is God. Or Root on the Source Of Magic. The things that are inexplicable, that certainty, those prophecies, are just his the future self protecting its timeline, as it remembers doing, just like Harry writing "Don't mess with time" on his paper.

If so, they'll sucessfully take control of reality, and discover that their uber-Time

Comment author: Nornagest 03 March 2015 10:10:49PM *  3 points [-]

I am the Eschaton; I am not your God.

I am descended from you, and exist in your future.

Thou shalt not violate causality within my historic light cone. Or else.

I suppose we've already broken one of those commandments, but still, the similarity's amusing.

Comment author: TuviaDulin 04 March 2015 10:22:08AM 0 points [-]

Pretty sure the Atlantians created the Source. There's probably a dyson sphere in our star cluster providing all the power needed for magic.

Comment author: TobyBartels 05 March 2015 12:54:52AM *  0 points [-]

If so, then it's too bad that the Pioneer Horcrux didn't manage to make it outside of that sphere before now. Voldemort might have been in for a terrible shock if it had suddenly stopped working!

Comment author: Astazha 03 March 2015 09:01:40PM *  0 points [-]

His irrational certainty is explained by the buried memories of Tom Riddle. I imagine Dumbledore steered him towards Hermione.

Comment author: MathMage 03 March 2015 10:02:52PM 2 points [-]

Chapter 8:

"No," Hermione said. "Who told you about me? "

"Professor McGonagall and I believe I see why. Do you have an eidetic memory, Hermione?"

Comment author: Astazha 03 March 2015 11:13:22PM 0 points [-]

Ah yes, thanks.

Comment author: Astazha 03 March 2015 11:15:24PM 0 points [-]

I didn't meant to retract the whole thing. Sorry, I'm new to the site and there doesn't appear to be an undo.

Comment author: jkadlubo 04 March 2015 07:06:12AM 0 points [-]

I would say that the whole thing took about 3 hours (maybe more if the walk to the cemetery took a lot of time), so now that Harry used his last hour, he's about 3 hours before his past self gets the note. He has to occupy that time, and what better way than to try to free Dumbledore?

I don't mind him not succeeding - I already have my "as good as possible" ending.

Comment author: Jost 04 March 2015 09:15:53AM 0 points [-]

so now that Harry used his last hour, he's about 3 hours before his past self gets the note.

In that case, the big explosion would happen about 2 hours before his past self gets the note, which would make the timeline inconsistent, since no such disturbance of the Quidditch match occurred while past!Harry was there.

Given that constraint, everything that happened since Harry time-turned five hours back must have taken at least five hours.

Comment author: CellBioGuy 03 March 2015 11:29:12PM 0 points [-]

Did he actually thwart it or will it happen?

Comment author: WalterL 04 March 2015 06:41:40AM 2 points [-]

I don't think you can thwart prophecies. Voldemort's efforts to do so were pointless.

Comment author: TobyBartels 05 March 2015 12:57:16AM 0 points [-]

I agree, but why didn't Voldemort know that?

Comment author: TobyBartels 03 March 2015 11:50:01PM 1 point [-]

Sure it'll happen. Harry will still do star-lifting.