Jost comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 114 + chapter 115 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Subbak 03 March 2015 09:10:04PM 5 points [-]

Without any hesitation despite his wounds the Dark Lord jerked down and right through the air.

Something that could indicate trying to dodge, or consciousness leaving the body. It's not unreasonable for Voldie to think "I've lost here, no matter what I do this body will be unusable in the near future, in case he has a plan to incapacitate me without triggering my Horcrux wards I'd better go someplace else".

All in all I'd assign a high subjective probability to Voldie's spirit being intact. Voldemort is a thorough planner, so total Oblivation is something he must have foreseen. And even if he did not, he is also known for not taking risks even when other people would be certain their precautions were enough. For example, he went through the trouble of resurrecting Hermione AND having Harry swear an Unbreakable Vow before attempting to kill him. Therefore, seeing something in his plan going terribly awry, there is a very high probability Voldemort would just retreat to a safe haven like the Horcrux Network.

Comment author: Jost 03 March 2015 09:58:35PM 4 points [-]

We don’t know enough details about how the Horcrux Network and the Special Connection between V and H work, but …

"OBLIVIATE!"

And it all poured out of Harry into the spell.

Harry fell over on his side, dropping his wand, gritted screams coming from his throat, his hands going helplessly to his scar, even as the sudden blast of pain in his head began to fade. Only dimly did his eyes see that the air was filled with glowing snowflakes, drifting motes of silver light like tiny specks of Patronus Charm.

… this is highly unusual for an obliviation, so I think it is very likely that V has not left his body.

Comment author: Benquo 04 March 2015 09:12:31PM 2 points [-]

Those are Tom Riddle's memories.

Comment author: Sheaman3773 04 March 2015 08:50:41PM *  1 point [-]

… this is highly unusual for an obliviation, so I think it is very likely that V has not left his body.

It appeared to be clear to me that this was some sort of sign that the Prophesy had been completed.

It seemed strange, but that was my reading of the text.

Comment author: Vaniver 03 March 2015 10:19:30PM *  1 point [-]

this is highly unusual for an obliviation

That's the resonance effect from casting a spell on another Tom Riddle, I think. (Was it also there for the transfiguration? Why not?)

Comment author: hairyfigment 04 March 2015 12:07:59AM 0 points [-]

While it would be amusing if the resonance created fire for Dark Lord Tom and mini-Patroni for Harry, I don't think magic is quite that symbolic.

Comment author: TobyBartels 04 March 2015 05:50:09AM *  0 points [-]

Magic is extremely symbolic. I don't know if this is what EY intended, but it makes sense to me.

Comment author: Izeinwinter 03 March 2015 10:59:58PM 0 points [-]

That attack wasn't actually magic. Not at the point where he attacked Voldemort. He was literally pulling on a physical thread.

Comment author: Transfuturist 03 March 2015 11:35:36PM *  4 points [-]

He was not pulling, he was transfiguring it shorter. And IIRC transfigured materials cause the resonance regardless.

Comment author: Astazha 03 March 2015 11:03:44PM 2 points [-]

But it was transfigured by Harry's magic. There does not appear to have been a resonance from it, though, which surprised me.

Comment author: Vaniver 03 March 2015 11:01:44PM *  0 points [-]

I mean when he transfigured Voldemort into something to take with him. (That did happen, right? Or did I misinterpret that?)

Comment author: TobyBartels 04 March 2015 05:48:26AM 0 points [-]

Yes, and the resonance weakened as the transfiguration progressed. Make of that what you will.