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Normal_Anomaly comments on HPMOR Wrap Parties: Resources, Information and Discussion - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 04 March 2015 08:58:26PM *  11 points [-]

I'd like to request that when the date and time of a meetup is finalized, that somebody post as much on LW. I don't have a facebook and would prefer to keep it that way, but I also don't want to miss the London party. Please and thank you.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 06 March 2015 12:42:36AM 8 points [-]

Yes, please! Not everyone is on Facebook.

Comment author: philh 06 March 2015 11:45:23AM 2 points [-]

I'll post details to the LW London google group; and I don't know whether individually posting every wrap party to LW is a good idea, but if we collectively decide that's what we're doing, I'll do that as well. But you should be able to see the event without a Facebook account, even if you can't RSVP (and in the specific case of London, you can RSVP - we have a separate google docs survey).

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 06 March 2015 11:13:01PM 2 points [-]

Thanks! I can see the Facebook event, and I have RSVP'd via the survey.

Comment author: alexvermeer 06 March 2015 10:55:52PM 2 points [-]

(Writing from this account, since through some strange bug my original account can't comment on this post):

I just added the Spreadsheet to the list of resources, and am just in the process of getting everyone's contact information. I hope this helps everyone who doesn't have Facebook to find the details for the parties in their area. I think posting every wrap party individually is probably a bad idea.

Comment author: EGI 09 March 2015 03:18:56PM 2 points [-]

Why not do the whole coordination here on LW instead of Facebook? Much easier to access, since everything on LW is visible without login. And creating an account is easy and has no privacy/terms of use issues.

Comment author: alexvermeer 12 March 2015 07:25:09AM 19 points [-]

(Habryka here. My account still appears to be broken)

I want to outline my thinking a bit, about why I decided to organize all of this with so much reliance on Facebook:

The attendance at these events heavily relies on networking effects and reducing trivial inconveniences. I did consider organizing it on LessWrong, but it's just less integrated into most peoples life as Facebook is. This was the easiest way for people to invite their friends, get notified of new parties, spread information and, most importantly, get interested in the event if you so far haven't been completely hooked on the book.

This is the last obvious big opportunity to get more people to read the book. Sending people to LessWrong, a website they've never been to and often only tangentially heard off, to then send an email to the current organizer, not really knowing who else of their friends will be there, if any, and then add that event manually in their own calendar, just seemed like a path that too many people would not bother to go.

I don't like Facebook. I don't like their stance on privacy, and I don't like the social pressure that drives everyone to sign up for it. But I think the stakes on this are high, and the potential positive impact on the world is large. And I think the number of people who are shied away from this because of its reliance on Facebook is smaller than the number of people who would not otherwise come.

This is the reason why I made all information available outside of Facebook and spent multiple hours copying details from the Facebook events into the spreadsheet. Because I want to make sure that if someone doesn't have Facebook, and wants to attend, that they will be able to. But the need to reduce trivial inconveniences for that category is a lot lower, as I think most would be willing to jump through a lot of hoops to be able to attend these.

I don't think the decision was completely clear, but I did make the decision consciously and tried my best at weighing the benefits and drawbacks. I am interested in anyone's thoughts on this.

Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 12 March 2015 04:43:09PM 8 points [-]

I loathe Facebook, and I think your decision, your reasoning and your kindness in explaining your reasoning are all correct and admirable. Well done.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 12 March 2015 11:04:31PM 3 points [-]

If you're the guy organizing the London party, you did a great job making it easy for me to find the time and venue despite my unbooked face. Thank you for all the effective effort you've put in!

Comment author: EGI 13 March 2015 09:00:35PM 2 points [-]

Thinking about it from this direction you are probably correct in doing ths via facebook.