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JoshuaZ comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 116 - Less Wrong
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So I guess no effort is going to be made to rescue Lucius or Dumbledore directly.
Lucius is both dead and warm. I think he's dead dead unless Eliezer has someone like Harry does something in a very narrow time window. Dumbledore is a much easier problem to solve (story wise) and can be solved at the same time as the Atlantis story thread if that is what the author plans.
I doubt we can do justice to Atlantis in five chapters of plot; the last few chapters only resolved as much as they did because Eliezer fired almost all of the available Chekhov's guns. We might get some hints, a sketch of a solution, but we're not going to see it in detail.
All he really has to do is convince Lucius to be a rock for about five minutes while he would have been summoned. Heal anything with transfigurative healing + the Stone.
That would require physical availability.
He could have spent that hour sending a Patronus to Lucius, though.
Didn't think of it, though.
For Lucius, I guess it's too late.
For Dumbledore, there is no hurry, if he's frozen out of time, he can be rescued in a few days, weeks or even years, so definitely not the day to try to do it.
Well, Harry has the Stone now, so he could still try to repeat Hermione's resurrection process for Lucius and possibly other Death Eaters, though without all the rituals afterward.
Why would Harry resurrect Death Eaters and not common people, who are dying in millions all over the world?
Why is he spending effort on saving Tom Riddle and not common people, who are dying in millions all over the world?
Remember that if Tom Riddle dies, a potentially vengeful demon with significant magical power is unleashed. Preventing that from happening is worth doing for the sake of those common people, regardless of its impact on Tom Riddle.
Yeah, and that make sense. There's also that he may be one of the last remaining repositories for lost knowledge.
But we've seen internal monologue from Harry where he thinks about the intrinsic value of Voldemort's life and the values of the children's children's children and so on. It's incredibly naive. Voldemort is an immortal psychopath who is ridiculously overpowered and very difficult to contain. Taking that guy out is entirely in sync with valuing life in general. I'm not a fan of the death penalty, but his mere existence is threatening enough that I would make an exception with no hesitation and not feel bad about it ever.
I didn't like it either, but:
Harry has taken him out, in the most effective way possible. The existence of the Horcrux network means that the death penalty is not an effective punishment or removal method.
No, but moderating the memory charm is foolishness. He isn't even remotely proficient with that charm. He should either have gotten expert help, or gone for a total wipe.
I think I would have just transfigured him into the jewel without doing the memory charm until much later, but on reflection I think that given Harry's uncertainty about how V's mind transfer system works, doing a substandard memory charm now is better than not doing one at all.
He is not saving Tom Riddle. He is saving millions by keeping Tom Riddle alive.
The point was that it's possible. Why might it actually occur? First, he might figure 'I did this, so I'm going to fix it'. Also, they are fairly powerful, comparatively speaking, to common people - he might have some plot to raise them and bind them to help him or put them in a position that he expects a net positive in his future effectiveness?
I don't know how well that is going to work after the bodies beings warm for a while and with a fairly big boom.
I wonder if you can Obliviate physical decay and return the brain to the state that it was in immediately after (or better, before) death. It seems unlikely, but then so is thinking with the brain of a cat, so who knows? If Obliviate works by altering brain states, and Magic recognizes a dead brain (so long as not too far decayed) as still a brain with all of its prior states from when it was alive, then it just might work. Obliviate 2.0 if necessary.
Remembering isn't the same as decaying. Forgetting isn't the same as regenerating.
Certainly not, but they're both changes in the brain, and who knows how magic thinks of these things? Magic has very strange opinions about the nature of reality. It's definitely a long shot, but somebody should try it.