yaeiou comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 116 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: yaeiou 04 March 2015 09:30:52PM 1 point [-]

I'm not sure how Quirrell's last plot could still come to fruition. Slytherin have won the house cup and one of the professors awarding house points to Ravenclaw at this stage would feel like Quirrell's plotting had failed.

Comment author: Oshi 04 March 2015 09:33:03PM 10 points [-]

Unless they award the points in response to Voldy being killed by Hermione. Which means even in dying, Quirrel wins.

Comment author: yaeiou 04 March 2015 10:19:07PM 1 point [-]

The annihilation of Quirrell!Mort (assuming that is what's happened) isn't something I can envisage as being part of Quirrell's plot. So, although the outcome Quirrell was aiming for coming to pass would make it look like he was successful in fact his plot failed and Harry's plot on his behalf succeeded.

It can be argued that Quirrell manipulation of Harry to ensure Quirrell was seen to win was a strand in Quirrell's plot. But, his fear of death / destruction of his horcrux was so profound my model of Quirrell wouldn't perceive himself to have won under these circumstances.

Comment author: MathMage 04 March 2015 11:47:05PM 8 points [-]

"For defeating the Dark Lord, we award Hermione...wait, what was the difference in score again?...four hundred and twenty points."

Comment author: TobyBartels 05 March 2015 12:36:28AM *  7 points [-]

It's a fitting honour for the brave Professor Quirrell; no fair Slytherin would deny him this.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 05 March 2015 03:51:17PM 1 point [-]

Especially since they'd still have the cup.

Comment author: TobyBartels 05 March 2015 11:31:22PM *  0 points [-]

The Quidditch Cup, but not the House Cup.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 06 March 2015 02:38:12AM 0 points [-]

Slytherin pulled ahead in both by scoring in Quidditch.

These bonus points would equalize them in the House cup. Both houses would have it.

Comment author: TobyBartels 06 March 2015 06:24:46AM 0 points [-]

I see what you mean. They get the Quidditch Cup outright (which is what I meant), but they share the House Cup, which is still having it (and that's what you meant).

Comment author: Strilanc 04 March 2015 10:38:19PM 3 points [-]

Hm, my take-away from the end of the chapter was a sad feeling that Quirrel simply failed at or lied about getting both houses to win.

Comment author: Velorien 04 March 2015 11:00:43PM 9 points [-]

Failed, I think. As of 104, it looked like his Christmas plots were all going to succeed - the Ravenclaws and Slytherins were in the process of tying for the Cup, and raising the popularity of Harry's anti-snitch proposal in doing so.

It is only the revelation that "Professor Quirrell had gone out to face the Dark Lord and died for it, You-Know-Who had returned and died again, Professor Quirrell was dead, he was dead", which Quirrell would not have planned around, that threw a spanner in the works by motivating the Slytherins to seek outright victory.

Comment author: yaeiou 05 March 2015 12:14:54AM 2 points [-]

Quirrell was adverse to outright lies, so at this point I think he failed.