Izeinwinter comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 116 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: imuli 05 March 2015 06:08:23PM 1 point [-]

Nicholas Flamel is dead, at least according to Dumbledore. (Or tucked away for later secret extraction?)

Comment author: Izeinwinter 05 March 2015 08:28:15PM 1 point [-]

Yhea, two problems with that: 1: I really don't put it past Dumbledore to just lie about everything to Voldemort, and 2:. Flamel had access to the stunt Voldemort pulled on Hermione for a minimum of 500 years, and potentially more like a thousand. I figure good odds killing Flamel just gets you a rebirth in fire phoenix-style and an annoyed arch-wizard.

Comment author: Vaniver 05 March 2015 10:47:13PM 3 points [-]

Doesn't this also apply to Baba Yaga?

Comment author: Izeinwinter 06 March 2015 04:08:48AM *  6 points [-]

It does. I mean, it's possible "Goblet curse" trumphs Rebirth Magic,

But my preferred theory is that Flamel is Baba Yaga, and Voldemort read that story all wrong because he managed to err on the side of excessive cynicism, which is a lot simpler. No murdering took place at all, just an elopement.

This also explains why Flamel only interferes in politics by teaching chosen champions - She is still bound by the goblet rite on the Battle Magic position, so that is the only way she can oppose dark lords that don't show up at her door and try to kill her. Well, unless they graduated elsewhere, but selectively showing up and vanquishing only those fell practitioners that studied in other schools would make things just a tad obvious.

Comment author: Vaniver 06 March 2015 03:46:32PM 0 points [-]

But my preferred theory is that Flamel is Baba Yaga, and Voldemort read that story all wrong because he managed to err on the side of excessive cynicism, which is a lot simpler. No murdering took place at all, just an elopement.

Sure. But we have Word of God that suggested that Baba Yaga would not appear in the story again before the bit where Dumbledore said Flamel was dead. Was that "Baba Yaga won't show up again because 'Flamel', who is actually BY, is about to die offscreen" or "Baba Yaga died six hundred years ago, get over it?" Unclear. But I would suggest that, narratively, the defeat of Baba Yaga by sixth-year Perenelle exists as a clue for the plausibility of the defeat of Voldemort by first-year Harry Potter.

Comment author: MathMage 05 March 2015 11:19:05PM 2 points [-]

BABA YAGA FAKED HER DEATH AND POSSESSED PERENELLE, TRUE STORY

Sorry, I think I've read too much Reddit today.