Salemicus comments on Can we talk about mental illness? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Salemicus 09 March 2015 12:27:18PM 1 point [-]

Do you really think it doesn't make sense to make a distinction between:

  • Mental illnesses are caused by negative patterns of conscious and unconscious thought.
  • Mental illnesses are caused by biochemical imbalances in the brain.

Or are you just trolling?

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 March 2015 01:23:44PM 0 points [-]

If I hug a person and the person feels better I can explain that with a raise in oxytocin or with changed unconscious thoughts about how the person feels liked. Making that distinction isn't useful for guiding actions.

Any psychopharmaceutical is going to affect thinking patterns.

Furthermore there are issues in depression that are neither mind nor brain.

Above I spoke about releasing a trigger against my neighbors drilling machine. That involved noticing that part of my head get tense in response to the sound and releasing the tension. There's no mind-body dualism in that approach.

Comment author: Salemicus 09 March 2015 02:19:24PM 0 points [-]

No-one's saying anything about mind-body dualism - except you.

Maybe a building is toppling over because of faulty design. Or maybe because the materials are substandard. These are separable issues, even though it is quite true that the design of the building is completely explicable in terms of materials.

Yes, psychoparmaceuticals affect thinking patterns, and yes, thinking patterns are fundamentally explicable in terms of biochemical states. But it is nevertheless the case that no amount of talking is going to fix someone's pre-synaptic uptake processes.

Comment author: seer 16 March 2015 01:59:54AM 6 points [-]

Maybe a building is toppling over because of faulty design. Or maybe because the materials are substandard.

Using substandard materials is itself a design flaw.

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 March 2015 03:16:14PM 2 points [-]

No-one's saying anything about mind-body dualism - except you.

Distinguishing the mind from the brain is what mind body dualism is all about.

But it is nevertheless the case that no amount of talking is going to fix someone's pre-synaptic uptake processes.

I have no reason to believe that's true. Talking can trigger hormonal release and those hormons can change pre-synaptic uptake processes.