NancyLebovitz comments on Why the culture of exercise/fitness is broken and how to fix it - Less Wrong

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Comment author: passive_fist 10 March 2015 08:22:44PM 5 points [-]

I usually don't participate in these discussions because it's all too easy to commit the typical mind fallacy. The implicit assumption seems to be that working out and lifting weights must be uncomfortable for most people. I offer myself as a person for whom this is not true: I take pleasure out of lifting weights in a way that I haven't yet experienced from most other sports. As for 'toughness', well it's true that if you start experiencing extreme pain you should stop doing what you're doing, but any kind of medium-intensity exercise is always going to come with some mild discomfort. Some people tend to exaggerate this discomfort. Just because something is uncomfortable doesn't mean it's an 'evolved safety signal.' You could just as easily argue that it's the body merely trying to conserve energy because in the past energy was hard to come by. Evolutionary explanations don't hold water here.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 12 March 2015 04:33:58PM 0 points [-]

I agree that there are a lot of people who like exercise better than I do, and there's a reason I said I was ranting.

However, there are also a lot of people who damage their connective tissue and bones, and possibly their hearts without being at short-term risk. Reasons that the studies might not prove much.

Comment author: passive_fist 12 March 2015 07:50:32PM 0 points [-]

The type of damage you're talking about only happens with extreme levels of exercise that less than 1% of the population ever attempt. For the vast majority of people, "exercise more" is always good advice.

Comment author: FrameBenignly 13 March 2015 02:58:24AM 1 point [-]

For the vast majority of people, "exercise more" is always good advice.

There is a long list of exceptions.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 March 2015 08:48:38PM 1 point [-]

For the vast majority of people, "exercise more" is always good advice.

Isn't that subject to a lot of caveats? Most would be common sense, but I'm sure there are nuances.

For example, if someone inactive and obese decided out of the blue to run five miles every day, I would expect it to end badly.

Comment author: [deleted] 13 March 2015 12:54:36PM 0 points [-]

For example, if someone inactive and obese decided out of the blue to run five miles every day, I would expect it to end badly.

It is nearly impossible for a low-willpower (obese and inactive) person to suddenly get so much willpower. He will be panting at 300m, feel his legs are made of lead at 500 and the rest would be sheer will? Nope. Okay there are always outliers and some drug users, but generally, no.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 12 March 2015 07:52:25PM 1 point [-]

I'm pretty sure you're mistaken about joint damage.

How could we check this?

Comment author: passive_fist 12 March 2015 08:36:12PM 0 points [-]

We first have to define terms. What do you mean by 'joint damage'?