DanielLC comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 119 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 10 March 2015 06:43:06PM 5 points [-]

I would like you to nominate HPMOR for Best Novel in the 2016 Hugos.

Hey gwern, you scared?

Comment author: DanielLC 10 March 2015 07:25:15PM 3 points [-]

Context?

Comment author: Nornagest 10 March 2015 10:10:17PM *  3 points [-]

Context seems to be here.

I'm also willing to put, let's say, $100 on the line at 5:1 odds that this isn't going to get a Hugo for Best Novel. (Best Fan Writer is far more feasible, though I'd still give it less than even odds if there's a push for it, and less than that if there isn't.) Reasoning: it's an atypical work for the category, which already steeply discounts it; it doesn't display any particular literary fireworks or great innovations in terms of setting or speculative fiction conventions, which is what the Hugos have tended to look for (historically more the later; lately more the former); and it doesn't have any particular following in, or ties to, literary SF fandom as far as I'm aware.

You could argue its significance for the fanfic form but that's going to be a tough sell to Worldcon.

(My actual probability estimate is more along the lines of 50:1 or lower, but I'm not prepared to go through that kind of trouble to win a couple of bucks, nor to risk thousands of dollars on the off-chance that someone knows something I don't.)

Comment author: CellBioGuy 11 March 2015 06:10:01AM 1 point [-]

It's also not as good as most novels I've read.

Comment author: dxu 16 March 2015 05:19:22AM *  0 points [-]

Nor I, but most of the novels I've read tend to fall on the spectrum of hard to extremely hard SF, with a preponderance of stuff like Egan, so that's not saying much. What do you usually read?

Comment author: gerryblog 11 March 2015 12:05:35AM 1 point [-]

I'm a fan, but if I were EY I would be worried about getting the nomination and then coming in under No Award. That seems a more likely outcome than somehow winning Best Novel.

Comment author: fezziwig 11 March 2015 02:09:23AM *  4 points [-]

Conditional on it being nominated at all, I think it would definitely beat No Award. Have a look at the raw stats from 2013 and 2014; for Best Novel, No Award gets crushed by everything. In 2014, for example, No Award got 88 votes out of 3587 ballots. In a world where MOR made it into the top 5 for Best Novel, it can definitely do better than that.

(Okay, yes, it happened to Vox Day, but that was for Novella, or maybe Novellette, whichever).

EDIT: On re-reading, I think this is a little misleading. The Hugo uses preference voting, so it's possible for No Award to beat some particular candidate even if almost nobody picked it in the first round of voting. You can see this in the data but my summary was too casual.

But like most other commenters, I don't think we do live in that world.