DataPacRat comments on Open thread, Mar. 23 - Mar. 31, 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DataPacRat 23 March 2015 05:25:46PM 7 points [-]

Camping vs Cryonics

Assuming that a cryonicist a) has a limited budget; b) believes that going solo hiking, canoeing, and camping have salutary effects on mental health; and c) believes that camping provides one of the best available ratios of improved long-term mental functioning to dollars spent...

... then what measures could said cryonicist take to minimize the odds of ending up not just dead, but warm-and-dead? And, secondarily, how much would each such measure cost, and how much would it reduce that risk?

Example 1: A PLB (Personal Locator Beacon) costs around $300, and uses satellites to signal search-and-rescue teams to start looking in roughly an area a mile around. Requires someone alive to push the button, that the PLB can be placed right-side-up. Benefits are increased if, eg, a pen-type flare launcher can more precisely identify location to searchers.

Example 2: A backup cell phone can cost $20, and at least one provider offers service for $10 for the SIM chip and $20 per year if no calls are made. Requires limiting trips to areas within range of cell towers.

Comment author: Fluttershy 23 March 2015 08:27:27PM 3 points [-]

Finding a friend to go hiking, canoeing, and camping with might be an effective thing to do. Also, there are probably locations that offer wilderness first aid courses in your city. Getting basic safety stuff right is probably lower-effort than taking a wilderness first aid course, though.

Comment author: DataPacRat 23 March 2015 11:55:46PM 2 points [-]

a friend

Schizoid personality disorder means that the solo part is a large part fo what provides the relaxation and decompression.

wilderness first aid

I'm in south Ontario, so the usual trainers are St. John's Ambulance. Looking it up, there's a two-day course in a nearby city next month for $200 that could be worth it.

basic safety stuff

There are a couple of versions of the "Ten Essentials" that I keep in mind.

Comment author: DataPacRat 25 March 2015 10:18:32PM 1 point [-]

wilderness first aid course

I've just ordered the course manual - it's 1/20th the cost of the course, and since I'm trying to educate myself rather than acquire the certification, it seems well worth the cost.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 23 March 2015 07:33:20PM 2 points [-]

What about analysis of how to lower the risks of the hiking, camping, and canoeing that you want to do? Or have you pushed that aspect as far as it's likely to go?

Comment author: DataPacRat 23 March 2015 11:44:07PM 0 points [-]

analysis of how to lower the risks

I'm open to any suggestions on that front.

For example, my existing kit already includes bear bags to keep tempting food away from the campsite, anti-bear pepper spray, a "bear banger" shot for the flaregun... and I've just added those "QuikClot" rapid-coagulation sponges to the first-aid kit.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 24 March 2015 12:18:41AM 0 points [-]

I was thinking about choosing terrain and temperature and such.

Do you know specifics about the risks of camping?

Comment author: DataPacRat 24 March 2015 12:35:03AM 0 points [-]

specifics about the risks of camping?

That's a fairly open-ended question, and I'm not sure how to answer. One version or another of the "SAS Survival Handbook" has been in my library for a couple of decades, which seems to offer a good overall framework.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 24 March 2015 12:52:13AM 0 points [-]

It's open-ended because it's an area that I don't know much about. When I thought about how a person could end up dead from camping, the first thing I imagined was twisting an ankle after a stumble a steep hill, and not being able to get back to civilization. Add more trouble, and I imagine a fall down a steep hill, maybe with a concussion. (Yes, I have issues about falling.) However, I don't know if those are the biggest risks.

Possibly of interest: Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why.

Comment author: DataPacRat 24 March 2015 12:58:47AM 0 points [-]
Comment author: Lumifer 23 March 2015 05:33:37PM *  2 points [-]

Most forms of SOS signaling require you to be alive to push the button (there are some exceptions, e.g. some marine beacons automatically activate if you fall into water), but I found you another rationalization for a smartwatch :-) I haven't seen an actual app, but it should exist (or be trivially easy to program): monitor your pulse and if it drops to zero, start screaming its head off via email, SMS, FB messages, dial 911, call the Coast Guard, etc. etc.

Comment author: gjm 23 March 2015 05:37:43PM 1 point [-]

So now your watchstrap gets snagged on a tree branch and falls off without your noticing -- and then it dials 911, calls the coast guard, etc. That could make you pretty unpopular.

Comment author: DataPacRat 23 March 2015 05:49:08PM 1 point [-]

One possibility: Designate one or more emergency contacts in case a pulse measurement drops to zero, who can text back to see if you're alright, if the battery's died, or whatnot; and who can /then/ decide to call out the cavalry.

Comment author: Lumifer 23 March 2015 05:48:54PM *  0 points [-]

I think smartwatches are smart enough to notice when they're not on your wrist any more.

P.S. Even without smartwatches, I would be greatly surprised if there is no remote-monitoring medical device which you strap onto yourself and which alerts someone if it thinks you're in trouble. The market for live-alone elderly people is huge.

Comment author: [deleted] 23 March 2015 05:45:11PM 0 points [-]

Or you simply take it off.

Comment author: DataPacRat 23 March 2015 05:47:55PM 0 points [-]

I don't recall yet finding a phone-watch with a reliable pulse sensor. That may be because it's a feature I wasn't looking for, but it's also possible that such a product doesn't yet exist.

Comment author: Lumifer 23 March 2015 06:01:34PM 1 point [-]

You can probably just use one of the fitness bracelets (Fitbit style) and sync them to your phone. I don't know how reliable they are, but one of their explicit purposes is recording your heart rate during exercise.

Comment author: ChristianKl 23 March 2015 10:43:34PM 1 point [-]

Losing the heart rate connection for a few seconds during exercising isn't a big deal.

The old tech with chest straps certainly loses signals from time to time. I'm not sure about the newer tech, but I would doubt that you get cheap tech that doesn't from time to time loses track of the pulse.

Comment author: kalium 30 March 2015 12:24:07AM 0 points [-]

Example 2: A backup cell phone can cost $20, and at least one provider offers service for $10 for the SIM chip and $20 per year if no calls are made. Requires limiting trips to areas within range of cell towers.

Which provider is this?

Comment author: DataPacRat 30 March 2015 02:59:02AM 0 points [-]

http://www.speakout7eleven.ca/prepaid-cell-phone-rates ... though it looks like I misremembered, and the least-expensive option is $25 instead of $20.

If you mean the cellphone, I got the low price from http://www.dx.com/s/850+1900?category=511&PriceSort=up .