thrawnca comments on Guardians of the Truth - Less Wrong

31 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 15 December 2007 06:44PM

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Comment author: Ian_C. 16 December 2007 03:49:18AM 6 points [-]

If you believe in G-d then you believe in a being that can change reality just by willing it. So therefore you believe it's possible for consciousness to change/control existence.

So that could explain why Guardians fear too many non-believers: they feel threatened by what they perceive as the power of other people's consciousness. They fear that if there are too many non-believers that it might change the truth somehow.

But scientists (Seekers) know that reality is what it is regardless of what other people think, so they don't ascribe so much power to their fellow beings, and therefore don't feel as threatened by them.

Comment author: thrawnca 27 July 2016 01:45:53AM -1 points [-]

If you believe in G-d then you believe in a being that can change reality just by willing it

OK, so by that definition...if you instead believe in a perfect rationalist that has achieved immortality, lived longer than we can meaningfully express, and now operates technology that is sufficiently advanced to be indistinguishable from magic, including being involved in the formation of planets, then - what label should you use instead of 'G-d'?

Comment author: hairyfigment 27 July 2016 05:30:18AM 3 points [-]

Khepri Prime, if the sequel to "Worm" goes the way I hope. More seriously, I don't believe any of that, and physics sadly appears to make some of it impossible even in the far future. Most of us would balk at that first word, "perfect," citing logical impossibility results and their relation to idealized induction. So your question makes you seem - let us say disconnected from the discussion. Would you happen to be assuming we reject theism because we see it as low status, and not because there aren't any gods?

Comment author: entirelyuseless 27 July 2016 02:56:19PM -2 points [-]

"Would you happen to be assuming we reject theism..."

Some LWers reject theism because they see it as low status, some for better reasons, and some do not reject it.

I do have an opinion on your personal motivations as opposed to those of other LWers, but it would be obviously unproductive to give it. So it is also an unproductive question.

Comment author: Jiro 28 July 2016 03:44:49PM 0 points [-]

I'd probably have to invent a name for it. Or I might use the term "godlike being", implying that the being has some, but not all, characteristics in common with what people think of as God.

Comment author: Lumifer 28 July 2016 08:34:50PM 0 points [-]

There's "demigod" or if you like the Eastern flavour, "bodhisattva".