hairyfigment comments on Rationality Quotes Thread April 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: James_Miller 16 April 2015 03:58:19PM -1 points [-]

But what if I can get taxpayers to feed my baby?

Comment author: hairyfigment 16 April 2015 04:32:15PM 0 points [-]

Can you also get them to pay for cryonics? I don't know if you consider cryonics worthwhile, but the point is that "feed" generalizes easily.

When you counter, don't let them cut you. When you protect someone, don't let them die. And when you attack, KILL!

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Comment author: HedonicTreader 17 April 2015 01:42:58AM -1 points [-]

The difference is that babies suffer if they starve, but not if they don't have cryonics.

The badness of making an extra life comes from its suffering (+ negative externalities) [- positive externalities]

Comment author: TheOtherDave 17 April 2015 02:39:07PM 1 point [-]

Interesting... can you say more about why you include a term in that equation for internal negative value (what you label "suffering" here), but not internal positive value (e.g., "pleasure" or "happiness" or "joy" or "Fun" or whatever label we want to use)?

Comment author: HedonicTreader 18 April 2015 12:32:07AM -1 points [-]

I suppose it was because the original quote started with a negative framing, the assumption that the baby might not be fed.

I think both birth and death are stressful experiences that are not worth going through unless there are compensating other factors. I don't think infants have enough of those if they die before they grow up.

Also I suspect human life is generally overrated, and the positives of life are often used as an excuse to justify the suffering of others. I do not trust people to make a realistic estimate and act with genuine benevolence.