Z._M._Davis comments on Guardians of Ayn Rand - Less Wrong

57 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 18 December 2007 06:24AM

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Comment author: Z._M._Davis 18 December 2007 07:11:33AM 21 points [-]

Eliezer: "As far as I know, [Rand] wasn't particularly good at math."

A relevant passage from Barbara Branden's biography of Rand:

"The subject [Rand] most enjoyed during her high school years, the one subject of which she never tired, was mathematics. 'My mathematics teacher was delighted with me. When I graduated, he said, "It will be a crime if you don't go into mathematics." I said only, "That's not enough of a career." I felt that it was too abstract, it had nothing to do with real life. I loved it, but I didn't intend to be an engineer or to go into any applied profession, and to study mathematics as such seemed too ivory tower, too purposeless---and I would say so today.' Mathematics, she thought, was a method. Like logic, it was an invaluable tool, but it was a means to an end, not an end in itself. She wanted an activity that, while drawing on her theoretical capacity, would unite theory and its practical application. That desire was an essential element in the continuing appeal that fiction held for her: fiction made possible the integration of wide abstract principles and their direct expression in and application to man's life." (Barbara Branden, The Passion of Ayn Rand, page 35 of my edition)

Comment author: adamisom 21 May 2012 05:05:51AM 7 points [-]

I would note that high school math isn't really "math". At least I don't think of it that way. Maybe that's because I'm a "rare case": really good at math (though not super good like some people here) - 36 on math ACT, AIME qualifier - and then not at all exceptionally good at college math. It could have been psychological factors: maybe if I studied linear algebra now I'd understand it just fine (in fact, I suspect I would). That's just the justification for my observation is all.

Comment author: jbay 23 April 2013 03:38:24AM 7 points [-]

From the impression I get from my acquaintances who grew up in the USSR, high school math over there was considerably more advanced than what passes as 'math' in most of North America's school system, and included linear algebra and calculus. I don't know if this is still the case.

Comment author: [deleted] 23 April 2013 04:12:50AM 5 points [-]

Based on anecdotal reports from my friends in the mathematics community, the fall of the USSR has not been kind to mathematics education.

Comment author: Bugmaster 23 April 2013 04:43:34AM 5 points [-]

I don't know if it's still the case, either, but I can confirm from first-hand experience that it definitely used to be as you say.

Comment author: DimitriK 12 November 2014 10:49:07PM 1 point [-]

I attended 2 years of school in Ukraine before my family immigrated. This was in '96/97. I can attest that math was far more advanced there (at least back then. Though this is still post-ussr). Ex: We were learning about functions in grade 2 (didnt touch it until grade 8-9 here in Canada.) I remember my parents being somewhat unhappy when most of the math I did in third Year was two digit addition and subtraction.