following on from this thread:
http://lesswrong.com/lw/m14/id_like_advice_from_lw_regarding_migraines/c9kr?context=3
User Algon asked:
I don't drink alcohol, but is it really all that? I just assumed that most people have alcoholic beverages for the 'buzz'/intoxication.
I related my experience:
I have come to the conclusion that I taste things differently to a large subset of the population. I have a very sweet tooth and am very sensitive to bitter flavours.
I don't eat olives, most alcohol only tastes like the alcoholic aftertaste (which apparently some people don't taste) - imagine the strongest burning taste of the purest alcohol you have tasted, some people never taste that, I taste it with nearly every alcoholic beverage. Beer is usually awfully bitter too.
The only wine I could ever bother to drink is desert wine (its very sweet) and only slowly. (or also a half shot of rum and maple syrup)
Having said all this - yes; some people love their alcoholic beverages for their flavours.
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I am wondering what the sensory experience of other LW users is of alcohol. Do you drink (if not why not?)? Do you have specific preferences? Do you have a particular pallet for foods (probably relevant)?
I hypothesise a lower proportion of drinkers than the rest of the population. (subject of course to cultural norms where you come from)
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Edit: I will make another post in a week about taste preferences because (as we probably already know) human tastes vary. I did want to mention that I avoid spicy things except for sweet chilli which is not spicy at all. And I don't drink coffee (because it tastes bad and I am always very awake and never need caffeine to wake me up). I am also quite sure I am a super-taster but wanted to not use that word for concern that the jargon might confuse people who don't yet know about it.
Thanks for all the responses! This has been really interesting and exactly what I expected (number of posts)!
In regards to experiences, I would mention that heavy drinking is linked with nearly every health problem you could think of and I am surprised we had a selection of several heavy drinkers (to those who are heavy drinkers I would suggest reading about the health implications and reconsidering the lifestyle, it sounds like most of you are not addicted). about the heavy drinkers - I suspect that is not representative of average, but rather the people who feel they are outliers decided to mention their cases (of people who did not reply; there are probably none or very few heavy drinkers, whereas there are probably some who did not reply and are light drinkers or did not reply and don't drink).
I hope to reply to a bunch of the comments and should get to it in the next few days.
Thank you again! Maybe this should be included on the next survey...
Edit 2: follow up post -http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/m3j/tally_of_lesswrong_experience_on_alcohol/
I don't drink (or do drugs or smoke). I've never tried drugs or cigarettes, and I've only tasted alcohol, never had a full drink.
I don't enjoy the taste of alcohol at all. The "alcohol aftertaste" is pretty unpleasant to me. And the one time I had a moderate amount of some type of harder alcohol (I lost a bet) I did not enjoy that warm/burning feeling in my stomach at all.
As for my palate, I'd rate my tolerance for spice at about a 3/10 and my tolerance for sour/bitter at about a 6/10. The sour/bitter is harder to judge - I love lemon and lime, but I don't like coffee at all. Well, I actually sort of like the taste of coffee, but only when it's part of one of those milk shake things. Any type of regular coffee with cream and sugar had been too strong for me.
As for the drinking/drugs thing though, another big reason why I don't do it is social/personal.
Social
The "alcohol environments" I've been exposed to have largely been American high school and college. People in this environment tend to be stupid and wild when they drink, and I don't find that fun.
Furthermore, they also seem to start acting immorally. For example, my freshman year of college, all the guys on my dorm floor were pretty close and really friendly with one another. They were a fun and relatively interesting group of people, and I enjoyed their company. When they drank, I actually still often had fun around them, but not always. One time some guys came back from some party with a huge wooden table, and were laughing and bragging that they stole it. Everyone around me was drunk and found it hilarious, seemingly because it was so random and weird. I was appalled. I don't find theft to be funny.
Also, a lot of drinking seems to happen in party/dancing environments, which I find myself moderately uncomfortable in. I also don't find those environments fun because of the noise and crowdedness (I'm a bit claustrophobic). Tim Urban does a good job explaining why these environments are so unpleasant, and I share his feelings.
Personal
There do exist more relaxed and sensible environments where people drink, so my complaints above don't explain why I don't drink in these environments (other than the fact that I don't like the taste, but let's put that aside for now).
The reason why people drink in these environments seems to be because it's a "social lubricant". Ie. it makes them uninhibited, and they could have more fun when they're uninhibited. But what does this actually mean?
Well, it means that a) there are thoughts they enjoy expressing that they're too afraid to express when they're sober. And/or b) there are behaviors they enjoy performing that they're too afraid to perform when they're sober. In other words, if you diff "things I say when I'm sober" with "things I say when I'm drunk", it returns something. And if you diff "things I do when I'm sober" with "things I do when I'm drunk", it also returns something.
Some of the things that turn up in the diffs are desirable. For example, it's probably a good thing that being drunk makes you silly, because being silly is fun (for some people; not me). But you don't want to be silly at work or when you go to the super market.
However, I think that a lot of the things that turn up in the diff are a result of you not being comfortable with yourself, and I think that this is undesirable. For example, people generally are uncomfortable talking to new people, especially when you have to do the initiating. Alcohol, being a social lubricant, can facilitate this and lead to a good time.
But to me, this feels very much like admitting defeat. The way I see it, if I'm afraid or ashamed to do something, there are two possible reasons why:
1) I'm ashamed about something that I should be ashamed about.
2) I'm irrationally afraid/ashamed to do something.
In case 1, I think I should fix it. I don't think it makes sense to be ashamed about anything you can't fix. From that it follows that the things I'd be ashamed about are fixable, and it's my feeling that "thus I should fix them".
In case 2, I think I should overcome these irrational feelings.
I don't think this philosophy of how to handle cases 1 and 2 is perfect though. I used to take it pretty literally, but I've since realized that it's unreasonable to think you could fix all the irrational feelings your brain produces. So as far as drinking goes, I'll give it a fair shot some time, but so far I haven't been motivated enough to do so.
Also, this approach to handling cases 1 and 2 is something I apply to life in general, not just to drinking. I try to never hide anything (that's why I use my real name everywhere on the internet) and I'm comfortable answering pretty much any sort of personal question (so AMA!). And even when I'm not comfortable, I try to do it anyway. It's my way of facing the truth. After all:
Update: After reading Eliezer's Facebook post on doing things to make sure you're not falling victim to the bias towards self-consistency, I decided to go out and drink a beer. I thought it tasted awful and I had to force myself through it. I think I experienced some sort of buzz though. But definitely not nearly enough to outweigh the bad taste.
Not saying you should start drinking but almost no one likes the taste of alcohol the first time they try it.