nbouscal comments on Resolving the Fermi Paradox: New Directions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: James_Miller 18 April 2015 06:25:40PM *  1 point [-]

Paperclip maximizers are a specific absurdity with probability near zero, and I find that discussing them sucks insight out of the discussion.

Strongly disagree, and in general it's dangerous to dismiss an argument by asserting that it's stupid and that merely discussing it is bad.

This full set [of all possible laws of physics under which sentient life can exist] is infinite,

How can you be so sure of this?

Comment author: nbouscal 18 April 2015 06:33:00PM *  0 points [-]

This full set [of all possible laws of physics under which sentient life can exist] is infinite,

How can you be so sure of this?

Presumably there is some level of resolution at which changes to the fundamental constants no longer have appreciable effects. Maybe it's the thousandth decimal place; maybe it's the googolth decimal place; but it seems extremely unlikely to me that there isn't such a level. Given this assumption, the set of possible laws is clearly infinite.

Comment author: James_Miller 18 April 2015 06:37:42PM 0 points [-]

Doesn't this all imply that the set of meaningfully different laws is finite? Also, what if there is a smallest possible level of resolution?

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 18 April 2015 10:26:36PM 0 points [-]

You are aiming at meaningfully distinct. nbouscal is aiming at the functionally equivalent.

Comment author: nbouscal 18 April 2015 08:19:40PM 0 points [-]

It doesn't, because the reals are infinite in two ways: any given interval is infinite, but the number of intervals is also infinite.

Also this only applies to changing the constants but keeping the general structure the same; you can also create further laws by changing the structure of the laws itself. There are a lot of degrees of freedom.