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Comment author: [deleted] 21 April 2015 12:18:49PM 0 points [-]

Does anyone here suffer from sexual or general anhedonia? Any comforting guesses as to when we will reach the point of being able to routinely cure it?

Comment author: ChristianKl 21 April 2015 02:18:13PM *  1 point [-]

Any comforting guesses as to when we will reach the point of being able to routinely cure it?

Do we "routinely cure" depression? People do stop being depressed but I'm not sure that I would use the word "routinely cure".

It might be more productive to think of the suffering person as a subject than as an object. Feeling pleasure is only possible if you actually see yourself as a subject.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 April 2015 04:09:24AM 0 points [-]

Parts of the brain don't function right. Contrary to your and the majority's belief, it's not a matter of choice to see yourself as a subject and alter your thinking. It wouldn't cure your aging for the same reason it won't cure the type of anhedonia in question.

Comment author: ChristianKl 22 April 2015 11:56:24AM 1 point [-]

If you make a choice to see yourself as a subject than you might still frequently drop into the old habits, but that doesn't mean that you can't make that choice. It doesn't mean that making that choice won't help you to more frequently feel as subject.

I have multiple times seen that when someone makes that shift his body language changes to a visible extend. They become more present. Emotional processing starts to happen that otherwise wouldn't.

It wouldn't cure your aging for the same reason it won't cure the type of anhedonia in question.

Large parts of aging aren't about disassociating emotions*. Associating emotions won't make your telomeres longer. On the other hand anhedonia seems very much about disassociated emotions and a straightforward way to associate emotions is to move from seeing oneself as object to seeing oneself as subject.

*If you want more input into the parts that are, read Thomas Hanna's "Somatics: Reawakening The Mind's Control Of Movement, Flexibility, And Health"

Comment author: [deleted] 22 April 2015 12:21:38PM *  0 points [-]

Seems being the keyword. Posting here was probably a mistake. The whole world thinks that if your dick behaves like rubber incapable of any pleasure, it must mean you're thinking the wrong way. I just wanted some optimism about future scientific breakthroughs. Seemed like the place.

Sorry, that wasn't appreciative.

Comment author: ChristianKl 22 April 2015 12:39:26PM *  -1 points [-]

The whole world thinks that if your dick behaves like rubber incapable of any pleasure, it must mean you're thinking the wrong way.

No, certain thinking patterns are associated with certain problems. Psychological interventions do help people.

I just wanted some optimism about future scientific breakthroughs.

What naivety on my part that I thought you wanted to change. Of course it's easier to blame it on supposedly unchangeable traits of the brain.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 April 2015 01:16:00PM -1 points [-]

As the same person you were responding to, I know there is no point trying to make you comprehend that there is a possibility your idiotic belief about my anhedonia being different than other devastating illnesses and curable by myself is not true just because it makes you feel smug and justified to blame others for their suffering. I don't care about being banned, so here goes. What you said was extremely cruel. I wish you decades of torture. Congratulations on making the world a worse place, you shit.

Comment author: ChristianKl 22 April 2015 02:29:43PM *  0 points [-]

As the same person you were responding to, I know there is no point trying to make you comprehend that there is a possibility your idiotic belief about my anhedonia being different than other devastating illnesses and curable by myself is not true

The fact that nothing you tried in the past cured it doesn't imply that it's incurable. It just means that nothing you tried worked. Believing in the ability to change is helpful for quite a lot of mental health issues.

blame others for their suffering

I don't blame your for suffering. You are free to suffer if you want. If you want to interpret my comment as blaming than I'm blaming you for unwillingness to do things I consider likely to improve your situation.