polymathwannabe comments on Is Determinism A Special Case Of Randomness? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: polymathwannabe 04 May 2015 01:43:01PM 2 points [-]

Why do you want to rescue free will?

Comment author: DonaldMcIntyre 04 May 2015 05:06:59PM 0 points [-]

I don't have an attachment to free will I think its a mental construct like time. What I think is that we make decisions and we seem to arbitrarily change the course of things, even if they are physical processes, I think there must be a component of randomness in physics that enables this.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 04 May 2015 05:12:35PM *  0 points [-]

Rescue it from what?

Comment author: polymathwannabe 04 May 2015 07:42:39PM 1 point [-]

From the reduction of human brains to subatomic particles. Vitalism is a hard beast to kill.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 05 May 2015 10:01:10AM -1 points [-]

Why does reduction imply determinism?

What does vitalism have to do with free will?

Comment author: polymathwannabe 05 May 2015 12:34:13PM 1 point [-]

Why does reduction imply determinism?

Explaining mental stuff in terms of non-mental stuff implies that we are atoms and nothing more, and are under the same laws that govern all physical events, so I am no more free to choose to close my eyes than a photon is free to bounce off a half-mirror.

What does vitalism have to do with free will?

Having reduced mental stuff to non-mental stuff (atoms and interactions), the only way to preserve free will is to postulate the existence of some mental fundamental essence which inanimate things don't have, and that is a form of vitalism.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 08 May 2015 11:03:51PM *  -1 points [-]

Explaining mental stuff in terms of non-mental stuff implies that we are atoms and nothing more, and are under the same laws that govern all physical events, so I am no more free to choose to close my eyes than a photon is free to bounce off a half-mirror.

Under physical laws doesn't mean under deterministic physical laws.

What does vitalism have to do with free will?

Having reduced mental stuff to non-mental stuff (atoms and interactions), the only way to preserve free will is to postulate the existence of some mental fundamental essence which inanimate things don't have,

Who told you that? Naturalustic libertarians reduce free will to specific combinations of physical determinism and indetermimism.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 08 May 2015 11:27:51PM *  1 point [-]

Naturalistic libertarians reduce free will to specific combinations of physical determinism and indeterminism.

Yes, they do that. They're deceiving themselves.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 08 May 2015 11:43:00PM *  0 points [-]

Is that a fact?