DeVliegendeHollander comments on California Drought thread - Less Wrong

3 Post author: SanguineEmpiricist 07 May 2015 06:44PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 08 May 2015 09:26:14AM *  2 points [-]

Why don't people have actual gardens instead of lawns? Roses and bushes and hedges and stuff. This seems to be the suburbian norm in Central Europe. But I guess we have enough water.

Comment author: Romashka 08 May 2015 12:03:55PM 3 points [-]

Yes, but... Why do people insist on imported species and habits at all? I have only barely seen California, but why not plant sagebrush or something equally adapted and learn to love it? It might even lend itself to topiary. (But nooo, exotics are so much cooler.)

Comment author: [deleted] 08 May 2015 12:29:11PM 3 points [-]

Part of the story may be migrants taking their native plants with them out of nostalgia.

Comment author: Romashka 08 May 2015 01:05:02PM 4 points [-]

That may be true for the Americas and perhaps Australia, but intuitively not for Eurasia. We have botanical gardens, though. It's actually part of their mission to popularize biodiversity, and what better evidence to show for the effort than to have an introduced species become widely cultivated? Horse chestnuts have no place in Kyiv's native flora, but they became a symbol of the city. ('Oh, the horse chestnuts suffer from leaf miners! Why doesn't the Institute of zoology DO something?' 'Stop planting the friggin' trees.' 'You, sir, are not a patriot.')

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 08 May 2015 10:05:18PM 4 points [-]

The first botanic gardens were a library of useful plants. (Diversity is a library-ish role.) Then imperial gardens were about gathering the diversity of the world, to assess whether it was useful.

Comment author: Romashka 09 May 2015 02:27:52AM 2 points [-]

I omitted that because nowadays it no longer holds.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 09 May 2015 03:18:52PM 2 points [-]

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that there was anything false about your statement. I don't remember what my point was, so I should have written it down. It might just have been trivia.

Comment author: Romashka 09 May 2015 04:50:44PM *  2 points [-]

You probably meant that technically, even the trees like ginkgo or all the oaks and maples imported from afar are useful - they can withstand the ufriendliness of city life. I agree. It is just a different kind of usefulness that potato and cucumber have, and back then there was no way to weigh costs and benefits of introduction. (The usefulness of a cactus is yet another thing.) Or you could mean that having a rich botanical garden was a status thing for a capital; an obligatory research facility for a self-respecting university. It should be still somewhat true. However, today people know little enough about native species that there's merit in educating them, and the libraries now get it backward. Or you could mean, further, that botanical gardens used to be efficient institutions of progress, and indeed gave rise to centralized experimental biotechnology research as scientific approach. That is, I think, probably true.