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Comment author: Lumifer 13 May 2015 05:58:38PM 2 points [-]

I was thinking of ideas that are so universal that they're not even culture-dependent or politics-dependent to any significant degree.

Besides fixing gross genetic abnormalities (e.g. cleft palate and such), I am not sure what kind of universally acceptable traits can you gene-engineer.

the overall trend is asymptotically towards making fewer mistakes

8-0 That's a huge claim that I don't see much evidence for. Not to mention that it assumes objective unchanging criteria of what a "mistake" is. I smell hubris.

Comment author: Jiro 13 May 2015 06:04:00PM 0 points [-]

Besides fixing gross genetic abnormalities (e.g. cleft palate and such), I am not sure what kind of universally acceptable traits can you gene-engineer.

"Besides that, how did you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"

Of course, that kind of abnormality is just what I was referring to.

Comment author: Lumifer 13 May 2015 06:20:57PM 1 point [-]

So, nothing that touches the mind?

Comment author: Jiro 13 May 2015 07:00:31PM *  0 points [-]

Some types of mental retardation are such that everyone who does not have them would agree that they are bad to have.

On the other hand, psychopathy would fail on criterion 1; it can't be defined well enough. (You could avoid mentioning a specific phenotype in your definition and instead define it as "has genes X, Y, and Z", but it would then fail on criterion 3 since people would have little reason to oppose an arbitrary list of genes that is not connected to a specific phenotype.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 13 May 2015 07:12:17PM 1 point [-]

On the other hand, psychopathy would fail on criterion 1; it can't be defined well enough.

What problem do you see with the Hare?

Comment author: Jiro 13 May 2015 08:52:53PM 0 points [-]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Comment author: ChristianKl 14 May 2015 12:55:39AM 1 point [-]

The Hare checklist is the standard instrument for measuring psychopathy.

Comment author: Jiro 14 May 2015 04:44:17AM 0 points [-]

The Wikipedia artticle for it has a criticism section.

Also, giving and analyzing the test seems to involve lots of human judgment. Which means that in order for point 1 to be true, everyone will have to trust the judgment of test-givers. I don't think that's going to happen.