JonahSinick comments on How my social skills went from horrible to mediocre - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JonahSinick 21 May 2015 02:42:43AM *  0 points [-]

What you're writing here is very close to what's been on my mind.

What I was responding to was "I don't think that such a comparison is ever truly innocuous."

That sounds like it's about your perceptions as opposed to other people's perceptions. :-). Did I misunderstand?

Comment author: Epictetus 21 May 2015 03:04:45AM 0 points [-]

That specific line was my perception, yes.

The bit that followed it was intended as a general statement.

Comment author: JonahSinick 21 May 2015 03:22:31AM 0 points [-]

That specific line was my perception, yes.

Ok, so can you help me understand your own perception?

Comment author: Epictetus 21 May 2015 03:45:46AM 1 point [-]

Sure.

Here are my observations: It's a common tactic among politicians to favorably compare themselves to famous historical figures. It's common among cranks to compare their own struggles to the persecution of Galileo. In general, there's a rhetorical device of people comparing themselves to famous figures in order to imply that they have other characteristics in common. This has led me to assign a very low prior probability to such a comparison being wholly innocuous.

As a result, when I see such a statement made, my reaction is to become more a lot cynical about the piece and to question the author's motives.

Comment author: JonahSinick 21 May 2015 04:29:34AM 0 points [-]

Sure, this makes sense. But sufficiently strong filters will filter out people when they say very unusual things independently of whether or not they're true :D. Catching diamonds in the rough requires more refined heuristics. How would you be able to tell if somebody actually felt universal love and compassion like MLK?

Comment author: Epictetus 21 May 2015 05:32:59AM 1 point [-]

I don't think I'd ever reach that conclusion based on someone's self-reporting. Too prone to bias.

So what would convince me? Well, the same way MLK convinced me: actions. Not in the sense of having to lead a civil rights movement, but rather in the sense of displaying that level of love and compassion when there is a cost to doing so. Are you so committed that you'd risk imprisonment or assassination? There's really no way for me to tell unless real life tests your mettle. I admit, it's a high bar. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

How then would I gauge the love and compassion of someone who had to hazard neither life nor liberty? I have on occasion witnessed people perform generous acts which would not have even occurred to me, but upon seeing them I could not doubt their rectitude. More common is just a general pattern of behavior: how an individual interacts with others.