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Comment author: Salemicus 14 May 2015 01:28:13PM 0 points [-]

People solve this problem by making bigger and bigger signals at each other, until either one side stops making the bigger signals or until the signals are so big you can't ignore them, (also known as "flirting").

Unfortunately there is the common failure mode where Alex keeps making bigger and bigger signals, while Billy makes no signals at all, but A interprets everything B does as maybe some kind of signal. So this method still relies on being able to tell, at least to some extent.

If you aren't good at reading other people's signals, then the following heuristic is a pretty good one:

  • If you like A, and you are wondering whether A likes you, the answer is no.
  • If you don't like A, and you are wondering whether A likes you, the answer is yes.
Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 14 May 2015 02:07:49PM 3 points [-]

Fully agree with first part. Last part is wrong.

Better solution is, if you are in doubt and are bad at reading signals, ask a friend.

Comment author: bbleeker 15 May 2015 07:27:51AM 3 points [-]

This worked out well for my husband and me. I had told him I'd had a dream in which we were making love, and he asked a friend if that meant I liked him. And they told him yes, of course (or I'd not have told him even if I'd had the same dream). Been together for ~20 years now.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 15 May 2015 05:01:19PM *  3 points [-]

I'm impressed that he could possibly fail to interpret that as a very direct hitting-on with high certainty.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 14 May 2015 01:41:53PM 2 points [-]

If you aren't good at reading other people's signals, then the following heuristic is a pretty good one:

If you like A, and you are wondering whether A likes you, the answer is no. If you don't like A, and you are wondering whether A likes you, the answer is yes.

So, whatever you want, the other person wants the opposite? That's an awful heuristic! Remember, reverse stupidity is not intellegence!

Comment author: Salemicus 14 May 2015 03:47:24PM 4 points [-]

So, whatever you want, the other person wants the opposite?

Nope. The rule is conditional on "wondering." For the vast majority of people I meet, it doesn't occur to me to wonder whether they have a crush on me. So if I'm wondering whether they like me, something unusual must have triggered it.

Similarly, if I like someone and they like me too, most of the time I don't wonder about it, I know. So if I'm still puzzled as to whether they like me, then it's because they don't like me, but I'm trying to read non-signals as signals.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 14 May 2015 04:46:23PM 4 points [-]

Similarly, if I like someone and they like me too, most of the time I don't wonder about it, I know. So if I'm still puzzled as to whether they like me, then it's because they don't like me, but I'm trying to read non-signals as signals.

Maybe you're overoptimistic, and try to "read non-signals as signals" but other people might be under-confident and not see signals which are there because they have difficulty imagining that someone could like them.

Of course, if you are even remotely credence calibrated in this matter, then uncertainty signifies ... uncertainty.

Comment author: pinyaka 14 May 2015 06:22:43PM 2 points [-]

If you aren't good at reading other people's signals, then the following heuristic is a pretty good one: If you like A, and you are wondering whether A likes you, the answer is no.

This heuristic is terrible if you're trying to find a romantic partner since following it consistently will always lead you to believe that the people you're interested in and whose reciprocal interest isn't clear to you are not interested in you. If you live in a society where your potential partner isn't supposed to make overt signals about their romantic interests (because of gender roles or something), this may result in never finding a partner.

Also, suggesting that people who "aren't good at reading other people's signals" should condition anything based on the presence of uncertainty about reciprocal interest seems like it'll produce inconsistent results at best. In this case, I think they should take the potential failure mode and increase signaling until A (or a trusted friend) gives a unambiguous signal.