OrphanWilde comments on Visions and Mirages: The Sunk Cost Dilemma - Less Wrong
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You could be correct there.
There's a conditional in the sentence that specifies "everybody". "So if I'm arguing against a straw man..."
I don't think I -am- arguing against a straw man. As I wrote directly above that, I think your understanding is drawn entirely from the examples you've seen, rather than the definition, as written on various sites - you could try Wikipedia, if you like, but it's what I checked to verify that the definition I used was correct when you suggested it wasn't. I will note that the "Sunk Cost Dilemma" is not my own invention, and was noted as a potential issue with the fallacy as it pertains to game theory long before I wrote this post - and, indeed, shows up in the aforementioned Wikipedia. I can't actually hunt down the referenced paper, granted, so whether or not the author did a good job elaborating the problem is a matter I'm uninformed about.
"Illogical" and "Absurd" are distinct, which is what permits common fallacies in the first place.
Are you attempting to dissect what went wrong with this post?
Well, initially, the fact that everybody fought the hypothetical. That was not unexpected. Indeed, if I include a hypothetical, odds are it anticipates being fought.
It was still positive karma at that point, albeit modest.
The negative karma came about because I built the post in such a way as to utilize the tendency on Less Wrong to fight hypotheticals, and then I called them out on it in a very rude and condescending way, and also because at least one individual came to the conclusion that I was actively attempting to make people less rational. Shrug It's not something I'm terribly concerned with, on account that, in spite of the way it went, I'm willing to bet those who participated learned more from this post than they otherwise would have.
I'll merely note that your behavior changed. You shifted from a hit-and-run style of implication to over-specific elaboration and in-depth responses. This post appears designed to prove to yourself that your disagreement has a rational basis. Does it?
Case in point.
Let's suppose that is your motive. What knowledge have you imparted? Given that you're concerned that I don't know what it is, where's the correct definition of the Sunk Cost Fallacy, and how does my usage deviate from it? I'd expect to find that somewhere in here in your quest to impart knowledge on me.
Your stated motive doesn't align with your behavior. It still doesn't; you've dressed the same behavior up in nicer clothes, but you're still just scoring points in an argument.
So - and this time I want you to answer to -yourself-, not to me, because I don't matter in this respect - what exactly do you actually want out of this conversation?
Is that "the end justifies the means"?
The means, in this case, don't violate any of my ethics checks, so I don't see any need to justify them, and nobody suggested my ethics in this case were off. The sole accusation of defection was on a misinterpretation of my behavior, that I was trying to make people less rational.
It's more a statement that I think the post was effective for its intended purposes, so I'm not too concerned about re-evaluating my methodology.
I should have separated that out into two paragraphs for clarity, I suppose.