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Comment author: NMJablonski 29 April 2011 10:40:47PM 2 points [-]

It could contain an artifact physically identical to one and which we could call one if we weren't being precise, but it would have to have come from some origin besides humans intending to build a chess set.

Do you seriously mean to imply that something identical to chess set is not a chess set? The words "chess set" as I used them above are meant only to connect to a physical object, not intentions.

Thus would be perfectly reasonable for the two to speculate (and be right or wrong) about what (if any) use it was meant for by its actual builders (if any).

In practical terms I agree completely. My argument with Peter wasn't actually about chess though, so it doesn't make a ton of sense when you focus on particulars of the analogy, especially an analogy so flawed as this one.

Do you think we disagree on any issue of substance? If so, where?

Comment author: Peterdjones 30 April 2011 11:31:36AM -1 points [-]

Do you seriously mean to imply that something identical to chess set is not a chess set?

A duplicate of the Mona Lisa wouldn't be the Mona Lisa.

Comment author: NMJablonski 30 April 2011 02:56:47PM 1 point [-]

Have you read the quantum physics sequence? Are you familiar with the experimental evidence on particle indistinguishability?

Comment author: Peterdjones 30 April 2011 06:03:49PM 1 point [-]

I'm familiar with it anyway. The point is that things like history, prvenance and cultural significance are built into the way we think about things, part of the connotational cloud. That doesn;t contradict QM, but it does schemes to lossllessly reduce meaning to physics.