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Comment author: Mirzhan_Irkegulov 21 May 2015 11:32:55PM 13 points [-]

Thank you for your response, that's really important for me.

I've never seen disparaging of actually helping people on LW. Can you point to examples? Can you argue that it is a tendency? You say that there is lots of outright hostility to anything against x-risks and human misery, except if it's MIRI. I wouldn't even imagine anyone would say that of LW, but maybe I'm blind, so I'll be grateful if you prove me wrong. Yudkowsky is definitely pro-immortality and supported donating to SENS.

I don't even think MIRI and MIRI-leaning LWers are against ongoing AI research. I've never heard anything like “please stop doing any AI until we figure out friendliness”, only “hey, can you please put more effort into friendliness too, it's very important?” And even if you think that MIRI's focus on friendliness is order of magnitude misplaced, it's just a mistake of prioritizing, not a fundamental philosophical blunder. Again, if you can expand on this topic, I would only say thank you.

Maybe “reform” isn't the right word. The Sequences aren't going anywhere, so of course LW will be FAI-centric for a long time, but within LW there is already a substantial amount of people (that's my impression, I never actually counted) who are not simply contrarian, but actually assign different priorities on what should be done about the world. More inline with your thoughts, than Yudkowsky's. Maybe you can still stay and steer this substantial minority in the right direction, instead of useless splitting.

I bet most people on LW are not even high-karma prolific writers, they are less knowledge, less confident, but also more open to contrary views, such as yours. Just by writing one big article about how you think LW's focus is misplaced can be of extreme help for such people. Which, BTW, includes me, because I never posted anything.

I'd actually would love to see you writing articles on all your theses here, on LW. LW-critical articles were already promoted a few times, including Yvain's article, so it's not like LW is criticism-intolerant.

If you actually do that, and provide lots of examples and evidence, it would be a breathe of fresh air for all those people, who will continue to be attracted to LW. You don't have to put titanic effort into “reform”, just erect a pole.

Comment author: [deleted] 23 May 2015 02:08:06PM 2 points [-]

You say that there is lots of outright hostility to anything against x-risks and human misery, except if it's MIRI.

I was actually making a specific allusion to the hostility towards practical, near-term artificial general intelligence work. I have at times in the past advocated for working on AGI technology now, not later, and been given robotic responses that I'm offering reckless and dangerous proposals, and helpfully directed to go read the sequences. I once joined #lesswrong on IRC and introduced myself as someone interested in making progress in AGI in the near-term, and received two separate death threats (no joke). Maybe that's just IRC—but I left and haven't gone back.