Lumifer comments on LINK: Competition is toxic - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 02 June 2015 06:22:54PM 1 point [-]

You can't effectively compete against people who are not accurately evaluating the consequences of their decisions.

So you're saying capitalism could not possibly work, right? X-/

Comment author: Illano 02 June 2015 06:59:18PM *  0 points [-]

For more clarification, I was thinking this over when considering rental properties in my area. A lot of people have complained that it is near impossible to make a profit on a rental property where I live. I think a lot of that is because there is a huge chunk of people who have bought property as an investment based on potential appreciation instead of based on cash flow. If your model is using only cash flow, but another model has a 5% appreciation of principle built in to it, it is going to be near impossible to be able to compete with them on rates. However, what you also see is a ton of people looking to sell their rental properties after the appreciation they were expecting never occurs (potentially due to the glut of properties on the market from other people doing the same thing). The people exiting the market take a loss, and the people who could have actually made a profit based on a cash-flow model never can get a renter to begin with, due to overly competitive rates. However, since new people are willing to invest under the same assumptions as the old investors (imperfect information), the market keeps going strong, and renters can take advantage of cheap rates, though no one is really profiting from it. That's the type of scenario you can get with an overly competitive marketplace filled with imperfect actors.

Edit: I'm sure people are making money from rentals in my area, or there wouldn't be so much of it. I'm just also sure that a lot of people are losing a ton of money from it, and driving down prices for everyone else.

Comment author: Lumifer 02 June 2015 07:12:30PM 1 point [-]

I'm just also sure that a lot of people are losing a ton of money from it, and driving down prices for everyone else.

I don't see why do you think this is a problem, and a problem for capitalism in particular.

Comment author: Illano 02 June 2015 06:51:47PM 0 points [-]

No, I'm saying that capitalism is never purely implemented (with no barriers to entry/perfect information/etc.), and there are cases where due to these inefficiencies, increased competition can cause a poor business model to outcompete a sound business model, leaving nobody standing at the end. This doesn't always happen (hence capitalism mostly works).

Comment author: Lumifer 02 June 2015 07:11:49PM *  5 points [-]

I'm saying that capitalism is never purely implemented

Um. I feel there is some serious disconnect here.

Capitalism is not an abstract model that gets "implemented". It is what you empirically get in reality given a few starting points (e.g. personal freedom, right to own property, right to trade, etc.).

People build models of that empirical reality and these models are simplified and rely on certain abstractions. But capitalism is not the result of "implementing" these models, quite the reverse -- the models are imperfect descriptions of actual capitalism.

increased competition can cause a poor business model to outcompete a sound business model, leaving nobody standing at the end

Sure. That's fine. One of the reasons capitalism works so well is that failure in it is frequent. The unsuccessful shoots and tendrils need to die off and free up resources for the successful ones. The journey towards the equilibrium is an unending dynamic process that is not a straight line and never gets to its destination, anyway.