eli_sennesh comments on Taking Effective Altruism Seriously - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 06 June 2015 05:27:57PM 3 points [-]

b) Effective altruists don't want to upset their own System 1 sensibilities, their altruistic efforts would lose some of the fuzzies driving them if they needed to justify "mass sterilisation of third world countries" to themselves.

I think the likely result of any attempt of a mass sterilisation project is increased population because you don't get it to work but Western doctors in the third world lose credibility.

Will we influence that decisions only based on "provide better education, then hope for the best",

We actually have good data that better education decreases birth rates.

Comment author: Kawoomba 06 June 2015 05:56:31PM 1 point [-]

Certainly, within what's Good (tm) and Acceptable (tm), funding better education in the third world is the most effective method.

However, if you go far enough outside the Overton window, you don't need credibility, as long as the power asymmetry is big enough. You want food? It only comes with a chemical agent which sterilizes you, similar to Golden Rice. You don't need to accept it, you're free to starve. The failures of colonialism as well as the most recent forays into the middle east stem from the constraints of also having to placate the court of public opinion.

Regardless of this one example, are you taking the position of "the most effective methods are those within the Overton window"? That would be typical, but the actual question would be: Is it because changing the Overton window to include more radical options is too hard, or is it because those more radical options wouldn't feel good?

Comment author: [deleted] 07 June 2015 01:03:29AM 1 point [-]

If you were really intent on extending the Overton window in general, you would include Communist solutions as well as fascist ones ;-).