Lumifer comments on Open Thread, Jun. 15 - Jun. 21, 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 17 June 2015 03:41:52PM 1 point [-]

I am not a big fan of it either, but I see a non-zero chance that same brains with simpler environments can sometimes ponder or experiment with some problems more.

Any people who are still in stone age should be considered automatically huge outliers.

Now, as for sports, just from the top of my mind, competitive acrobatic dancing e.g. womens pole dancing would easily satisfy a large chunk of it. This is why I think there is a potential to optimize it.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2015 04:00:09PM 2 points [-]

I see a non-zero chance that same brains with simpler environments can sometimes ponder or experiment with some problems more.

Um, the general rule is that simpler environments lead to simpler brains. I don't buy the whole "the current life is making us crazy" argument. Put someone smart in a very simple environment (e.g. an exile to a small village in the boonies) and while there is a non-zero chance he'll write a genius book, I'll bet on him becoming an alcoholic or sinking into the general dumbness.

womens pole dancing

It's not a sport, it's an occupation with the goal of making men stuff money into your underwear X-)

If you want a high-status full-body-development sport, try kite surfing.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 June 2015 07:12:58PM *  2 points [-]

If you want a high-status full-body-development sport, try kite surfing.

Lumi, you are smarter than this, you must be trolling me now :)

Kitesurfing is a textbook example of the high-investment extreme sports that require the right location, expensive equipment, right weather, high pre-existing fitness and so on. It is not a generic applicable routine.

As a comparison, basketball requires a hoop, a ball, and at least one opponent. It has far more capability there, to be become a universal exercise sport.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2015 07:23:58PM *  1 point [-]

Let me point out that you didn't ask for a "universal exercise sport". You asked for what kind of fun sport do "high-brow people e.g. Bay Area" do and kite-surfing is a valid answer to this question.

As a low-investment alternative, try parkour? :-)

Comment author: [deleted] 17 June 2015 07:36:49PM 1 point [-]

This sounds good, actually. Is it popular there?

Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2015 07:46:29PM 1 point [-]

It's an urban youth sport with a strong counterculture vibe. Not very beloved by authorities and property owners :-/

A bigger problem is that you're guaranteed cuts and bruises, with broken bones not a particularly unlikely outcome.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 June 2015 07:05:51PM 1 point [-]

Put someone smart in a very simple environment (e.g. an exile to a small village in the boonies) and while there is a non-zero chance he'll write a genius book, I'll bet on him becoming an alcoholic or sinking into the general dumbness.

Or a Buddha / Zen masta :) Let's face it we both are speculating here. There is no evidence either way.

It's not a sport, it's an occupation with the goal of making men stuff money into your underwear X-)

Yeah maybe try to stick to forming opinions about things you actually know about :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-rf8jTvqE

Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2015 07:17:49PM 1 point [-]

There is no evidence either way.

Of course there is. Sending inconvenient (and sometimes smart) people into exile to the far corner of nowhere has been a pretty standard way of doing things at least since the Romans. I am not aware of any study which tried to systematize evidence, but there is data.

As to your video, I would call it "performance art with athletic elements" :-P

Comment author: ChristianKl 17 June 2015 04:26:22PM 1 point [-]

It's not a sport, it's an occupation with the goal of making men stuff money into your underwear X-)

That's not true. There are people who do pole dancing as recreational sport.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 June 2015 07:07:39PM 0 points [-]

For some reason people are often surprised when I link this :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-rf8jTvqE

Says a lot about prejudices and all too fixed priors :)