TheAncientGeek comments on Open Thread, Jun. 15 - Jun. 21, 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 19 June 2015 06:13:11PM 6 points [-]

Eliezer wants to be a guru. No one calls him on it. There is an enormous amount of unhealthy hero worship. What did you expect, exactly?

Even if you see Eliezer as a wanna-be-guru, he is not that powerful. The kind of hero worship that you see in real cults is on a different scale.

Very charismatic people who actually get people to follow them through the strength of their charisma don't come across as "hilariously over-the-top arrogant" to people within their in-group.

I also find it hard how you can cite such a paragraph by Yvain and at the same time say with a straight face "Nobody calls EY on it".

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 19 June 2015 07:07:41PM 1 point [-]

It can make sense to call out borderline cases within your own community, because that gives you the greatest chance of making a difference.

Comment author: ChristianKl 19 June 2015 07:56:47PM 7 points [-]

I don't believe in the paradigm of "call out culture". Copying SJW tactics isn't a good idea. In most cases it's more effective to give feedback for improvement privately.

The idea that EY didn't get pushback is completely illusory. He got enough pushback that he now doesn't post on LW. During the last year where UFAI got more of public attention EY didn't seek the spotlight but rather left that role to FHI. To me that reflect an understanding that this decision was in the benefit of the cause.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 19 June 2015 11:43:44PM 1 point [-]

I didn't mention anyone by name.

Comment author: ChristianKl 20 June 2015 11:49:46PM 1 point [-]

That still leaves my first paragraph. I don't believe that "calling out" is generally the best technique for making a difference.