Epictetus comments on Open Thread, Jun. 15 - Jun. 21, 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: adamzerner 19 June 2015 06:04:18PM *  0 points [-]

Consider the question: why is there such a stigma associated with rationality?

My impression is that it's because rationality is so general. Well, I don't think that's the only reason, but I think it plays a big role.

Think about it:

  • There's no stigma associated with trying to be more knowledgeable by, say studying history.
  • There's no stigma associated with self improvement. Say, wanting to be more confident.
  • There's no stigma associated with... getting in better shape.
  • There's no stigma associated with wanting to help people.

But there is with rationality. Maybe it's because all of those other things are narrow enough that it's not seen as an attempt to be "better" than others. But since rationality is so general, it is seen as an attempt to be "better" than others.

Of course, the term "better" can be broken into components, and it isn't so black and white. But my impression is that other people see it as black and white. Sort of - I think they see it as if there's some sort of threshold where if you cross it, you enter the domain of "better is black and white, and you're trying to be better than everyone else".

Comment author: Epictetus 19 June 2015 11:00:00PM 1 point [-]

There's no stigma associated with self improvement. Say, wanting to be more confident.

The sort who can't last five minutes without bringing up how much they improved will find plenty of stigma.

There's no stigma associated with wanting to help people.

Provided you don't become a self-righteous ass about it.

Maybe it's because all of those other things are narrow enough that it's not seen as an attempt to be "better" than others. But since rationality is so general, it is seen as an attempt to be "better" than others.

It's an attitude thing. People will perceive an attempt to be better than others if the individual starts acting the part. Socrates made a lot of enemies with his habit of going around correcting flaws in people's thinking.