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Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 18 June 2015 07:48:19PM *  11 points [-]

One thing I've noticed is that framing the same task differently can make me either intrinsically motived to do it or not do it. For example, I have a text file full of blog posts I've identified as high-quality to read at some point. But reading blog posts from this file feels boring and forced in a way that browsing blog posts from Hacker News does not. I'm not sure how to explain this. However, one thing I do try to do is that once I notice myself conceptualizing some task that I endorse in a way that I find intrinsically motivating, I try not to destroy that conceptualization. For example, I don't force myself to do it if I happen not to feel like doing it at some point. I stopped using the Pomodoro Technique because I was afraid it was destroying my intrinsic motivation.

I did some reading of the literature on intrinsic motivation and came to a conclusion I hadn't seen anywhere else, which is that people are intrinsically motivated to complete tasks that raise their status. The reason "extrinsic" rewards don't work: the implicit message of such rewards is that you are lower status than the reward-giver. I don't remember all the evidence that lead me to my conclusion but I do remember that e.g. when the reward-giver hands out praise as a reward for good performance, people perform as well as they do when they are "intrinsically" motivated.

Comment author: btrettel 19 June 2015 12:29:37AM *  3 points [-]

Do you remember any particular articles or whatnot on motivation that helped you come to the conclusion that the opportunity to raise your status motivates? This seems plausible to me and I'd like to read more.

Edit: Social status is mentioned on Wikipedia a few times, e.g.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 19 June 2015 07:19:18AM *  4 points [-]

I think I just searched for info on extrinsic and intrinsic motivation on Google Scholar. Looking at my notes, one of the papers I found was called "Self-Determination Theory and the Facilitation of Intrinsic Motivation, Social Development, and Well-Being" if that helps.

I think another tidbit that persuaded me was seeing autonomy, mastery, and community as all being elements cited as important for intrinsic motivation. These all seemed like facets of social status: autonomy means you are in control (and therefore statusful), mastery means you can build skills that get you status, and community means you have people to be high status relative to.

I was just skimming though; I wouldn't read too much in to my conclusion. If you want to do a literature review and write up your findings that'd probably be pretty valuable. There might be other interesting findings to report on, e.g. IIRC performance on menial tasks doesn't suffer in response to extrinsic rewards.