Gram_Stone comments on Monthly Bragging Thread July 2015 - Less Wrong
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For one, this is a very complex claim, that I think is in some ways contrary to the evidence (mental and physical health correlate positively with socioeconomic class). But besides that, just on a sort of ideological ground, I have to disagree with it. People often claim that things like war and death are necessary. Let it be known that neither is scarcity a necessary evil. But that doesn't mean that we can't experience challenges, continuously improve ourselves, and live by our own strength.
I would agree with this but use different words, note the risk of generalizing from a small amount of anecdotal evidence, and rip out all of the causal implications because I don't actually know what is doing what there.
Once again, I disagree with this final conclusion on ideological grounds. Scarcity is not necessary.
Oh good. Someone else on this site read the good parts of this site, the ones that actually give some hope for life, the ones that aren't just a Treason of the Scientists to accompany the Treason of the Artists and the Treason of the (humanist) Intellectuals.
The Fun Theory Sequence is my favorite and doesn't get linked enough.
I've always wondered why people are so freaked out at even looking at the "brighter" portions of possibility-space when they spend all their time obsessing over the unrealistically dark portions anyway. It makes grown adults sound like emo-teens, but somehow it's all taken as Very Serious Person stuff.
I can imagine lots of reasons that you might observe something like that.
I don't understand?
Just like most people, I got introduced to LW through Traditional Rationality myself. But, to me, "LWian 'rationality'" doesn't actually have a large "usefulness delta" over "account for cognitive biases and use statistical reasoning" without the parts about extremely strong naturalism, Fun Theory, and at least enough transhumanism to make the Fun Theory actually go.
I didn't even mean existential risks. I meant stuff like, "Which people in government or business are conspiring against me this week?" and "Is everyone a piece of shit?", to which there are actually trivial answers like "Most people aren't conspiring against you" and "No".
That would be typical Very Serious Person stuff.
I would definitely include the stuff on philosophy of language as well. I've seen a lot of people report that not going in circles over word usage was one of their most significant changes in behavior after reading LW. It also sets you up for reductionism by teaching you not to confuse the way the map feels with the way the territory is.
You mean there are people to whom that's not just obvious? I thought that treating words as pointers was something common to everyone who learns programming.
Not everyone learns programming and it happens often that skills learned in one domain don't transfer into other domains.
Quite a lot of people care about whether or not someone is a feminist. The care about defining what true feminism is about. They treat the word like it's important in itself and not just a pointer.
Law (especially private law) seems to be a better example of a domain where words themselves are very important, because it can hardly be any other way. For example, whether or not something qualifies as a breach of contract is important by itself.
On this site?
And they're being silly.
Not being motivated by scarcity totally exists and is an excellent thing for those who can pull it off, but AFAIK it requires a very unusual type of personality. I would say, almost abiological, since there is not much in our evolutionary past that would be about post-scarcity motivation.
Something I must add to my model: everybody I know who is wealthy had parents who were born poor. Or grandparents. I am born about middle to upper-middle perhaps but still remember grandpa's childhood stories about travelling on the roof of trains. So a perhaps my model is better explained by saying they inherited a certain amount of scarcity mentality and then don't know what to do when it no longer applies. I have no idea what real "old money" is about, when one is 100% secure one cannot lose their status, maybe they more easily get this kind of non-scarcity motivation.