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Comment author: HungryHobo 07 October 2015 01:46:14PM *  5 points [-]

There are some things which could be highly dangerous which are protected almost purely by thick layers of tedium.

Want to make nerve gas? well if you can wade through a thick pile of biochemistry textbooks the information isn't kept all that secret.

Want to create horribly deadly viruses? ditto.

The more I learned about physics, chemistry and biology the more I've become certain that the main reason that major cities have living populations is that most of the people with really deep understanding don't actually want to watch the world burn.

You often find that extremely knowledgeable people don't exactly hide knowledge but do put it on page 425 of volume 3 of their textbook, written in language which you need to have read the rest to understand. Which protects it effectively from 99.99% of the people who might use it to intentionally harm others.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 October 2015 02:19:10PM *  1 point [-]

Argument against: back when cities were more flamable, people didn't set them on fire for the hell of it.

On the other hand, it's a lot easier to use a timer and survive these days, should you happen to not be suicidal.

"I want to see the world burn" is a great line of dialogue, but I'm not convinced it's a real human motivation. Um, except that when I was a kid, I remember wishing that this world was a dream, and I'd wake up. Does that count?

Second thought-- when I was a kid, I didn't have a method in mind. What if I do serious work with lucid dreaming techniques when I'm awake? I don't think the odds of waking up into being a greater intelligence are terribly good, nor is there a guarantee that my live would be better. On the other hand, would you hallucinations be interested in begging me to not try it?

Comment author: itaibn0 07 October 2015 11:08:55PM -1 points [-]

Based on personal experience, if you're dreaming I don't recommend trying to wake yourself up. Instead, enjoy your dream until you're ready to wake up naturally. That way you'll have far better sleep.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 08 October 2015 01:10:18AM -1 points [-]

Based on personal experience, I would have agreed with you, right up until last year, when I found myself in the rather terrifying position of being mentally aroused by a huge crash in my house, but unable to wake up all the way for several seconds afterward, during which my sleeping mind refused to reject the "something just blew a hole in the building we're under attack!" hypothesis.

(It was an overfilled bag falling off the wall.)

But absent actual difficulty waking for potential emergencies, sure; hang out in Tel'aran'rhiod until you get bored.