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Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 15 July 2015 04:06:49PM *  -1 points [-]

Even if we allow it, it is exceptionally weak evidence, and not enough to distinguish 'dust theory' from any other of the countless ideas in that same category.

Dreaming is a very specific process that seems optimized to the scenario I described with DT. Do these other ideas predict the same?

As for why we dream, it's actually because of particles, forces, and biochemistry. A mundane explanation for a mundane process. No group hive mind of spirit energy or "measure of beings" required.

So you are saying that humans or humanlike minds are the most common type of consciousness that is mathematically possible?

Comment author: Dentin 15 July 2015 05:40:00PM 0 points [-]

Dreaming is a very specific process that seems optimized to the scenario I described with DT. Do these other ideas predict the same?

"Dreaming is a very specific process that seems optimized to demonstrate the existence of a dream realm."

"Dreaming is a very specific process that seems optimized to recharge the Earth Spirit that is Mother Gaia."

"Dreaming is a very specific process by which Wyvren allows us to communicate with Legends."

So you are saying that humans or humanlike minds are the most common type of consciousness that is mathematically possible?

I have literally no idea how you could possibly draw that conclusion from the statement that dreaming has a mundane physics-based explanation. The two things aren't even remotely related.

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 15 July 2015 05:56:21PM *  -1 points [-]

"Dreaming is a very specific process that seems optimized to demonstrate the existence of a dream realm."

"Dreaming is a very specific process that seems optimized to recharge the Earth Spirit that is Mother Gaia."

"Dreaming is a very specific process by which Wyvren allows us to communicate with Legends."

Dust Theory is a coherent philosophical idea that has certain logical arguments to be made for it based off of our scientific knowledge of minds and quantum theory.

I have literally no idea how you could possibly draw that conclusion from the statement that dreaming has a mundane physics-based explanation. The two things aren't even remotely related.

No, they aren't. Of course dreaming has a mundane physics-based explanation; Dust Theory predicts that as well. We just find ourselves in a universe where dreaming exists.

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