Vladimir_Nesov comments on Base your self-esteem on your rationality - Less Wrong

0 Post author: ThePrussian 22 July 2015 08:54AM

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 22 July 2015 11:22:28AM *  13 points [-]

One issue is that if you base your self-esteem on your rationality, that might make it more difficult to notice flaws in your rationality, for the same reasons as basing self-esteem on being a Nazi might've made it more difficult for historical Nazis to notice the issues. Hence the idea of keeping identity small, not including important things in it, to avoid that particular cause of misperceiving them.

See Cached Selves for more details. There does seem to be an important difference between the usual ideologies and technical subjects, in that ideologies allow much more wiggle room, which might be at the heart of the problem, see Ethnic Tension And Meaningless Arguments. Sidestepping that sort of vagueness by making sure a few key ideas remain clear is also the approach explored in Yudkowsky's How To Actually Change Your Mind, for example see The Scales of Justice, the Notebook of Rationality and Human Evil and Muddled Thinking.

Comment author: ThePrussian 22 July 2015 01:42:02PM 5 points [-]

Could be two different uses of the word rationality. There are certainly those who call themselves "reality based" or whatever and therefore assume that everything they assert is rational and scientific. But if you invest yourself in "doing rationality" rather than "being rational" you might do better.

Comment author: AlexanderRM 04 August 2015 03:53:16AM 0 points [-]

I think that might help somewhat- thinking of rationality as something you do rather than something you are is definitely good regardless- but there's still the basic problem that your self-esteem is invested in rationality. Rationality requires you to continually be willing to doubt your core values and consider that they might be wrong, and if your core values are wrong, then you haven't gotten any use up to that point out of your rationality. I don't think it's just a matter of realizing your were wrong once and recovering self-esteem out of the fact that you were rational enough to see that- ideally you ought to constantly consider the possibility that everything you believe might be wrong.

Now, if you can get up to the level of thinking I just described, that's probably still a lot better than basing your self-esteem on specific political views. It just doesn't totally solve the problem, and you need to be aware that it doesn't totally solve the problem.

Comment author: ChristianKl 22 July 2015 01:50:26PM -1 points [-]

What exactly do you mean with "doing rationality"?

Comment author: [deleted] 22 July 2015 10:46:59PM 1 point [-]

See: this entire site.

Comment author: Sniffnoy 22 July 2015 09:59:33PM 0 points [-]