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Comment author: CCC 28 July 2015 02:25:22PM 2 points [-]

now I'm wondering how could I change my own environment -not by replacing it, but by changing people's reactions-

People try to do that all the time. One of the best ways is to simply ask other people to change their reactions, and explain why - some people will listen (especially if you point out how the new environment will benefit them as well) while others won't. (Mind you, even the ones that listen will probably be slow to change their reactions... habits are not easily broken)

I'd also suggest, at the same time, changing your reactions to match your preferred environment; give everyone around you an example to follow.

If you have a position of authority (e.g. a university lecturer in a classroom) you could even use that authority to mandate how students are allowed to react - again, it would help to point out how the ability to change your mind is helpful to the students.

Do you believe it'd be right to attempt to change people's reactions

I think that it can be right to attempt to change peoples' reactions, if that change is to their benefit and the means employed to effect the change are ethical (i.e. ask them to change, don't put a gun to their head and force them to change).

Comment author: Pancho_Iba 29 July 2015 02:55:01PM 0 points [-]

Just asking seems a little to plain to work, but I do know some very few people who would listen. The thing is that, by doing so, they are somewhat already reacting rationally. Now I'm thinking maybe I should gather a couple of those people and someone who is less inclined to change his mind and try to "convert" him by providing an environment in which it is ok to be mistaken and good to be corrected... Then I just repeat this process inductively until we take over he world, don't I?

If you have a position of authority (e.g. a university lecturer in a classroom) you could even use that authority to mandate how students are allowed to react...

I don't have it, but I will have it soon enough and see how it goes.

Comment author: CCC 30 July 2015 08:46:42AM 0 points [-]

Just asking seems a little to plain to work

If the simplest solution works, then, well, it works. And if it doesn't... I don't really see any negative consequences of failure.

Now I'm thinking maybe I should gather a couple of those people and someone who is less inclined to change his mind and try to "convert" him by providing an environment in which it is ok to be mistaken and good to be corrected... Then I just repeat this process inductively until we take over he world, don't I?

It'll work for some people, not for others. You could try, I guess, but people change slowly so it could take a while.

I think that trying to force it could have ethical problems. But inviting someone to have a chat with you and your friends shouldn't have any such problems.

I don't have it, but I will have it soon enough and see how it goes.

Good luck!