turchin comments on Immortality Roadmap - Less Wrong

9 Post author: turchin 28 July 2015 09:27PM

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Comment author: turchin 29 July 2015 09:17:15PM 1 point [-]

I think that without uploading or creating copies (and without AI) any life extension method would give 1000 years life expectancy maximum. It is very long but nowhere near immortality.

Uploading is almost like creating AI, so if we will have EMs, we will come to AI very soon after it. In the earlier versions of the map plan A was named "Victory on aging", and after it was renamed in "To survive until Immortality", which is oxymoron, so I think that "survive until FAI" is the best name and idea.

Comment author: knb 31 July 2015 08:31:30AM *  1 point [-]

Uploading is almost like creating AI, so if we will have EMs

It should be "ems" as it is short for emulation, not an acronym. Sorry for the nitpick, I've seen this a lot and it bothers me for some reason.

Comment author: Yosarian2 30 July 2015 12:08:59AM *  1 point [-]

I think that without uploading or creating copies (and without AI) any life extension method would give 1000 years life expectancy maximum

That was Aubry de Grey's estimate of how long people would live if we cured aging, but that assumes the same rate of deaths from accidents, suicides, ect as we have today. But with advanced cyborg technology, medical technology, biotechnology, and/or nanotechnology, as well as other technological improvements that reduce the risk of accidental death (self driving cars, for example), that could be a lot longer.

Edit: To be clear, I agree with you that if uploading/"making copies" proves possible, that that could theoretically grant a much "safer" kind of longevity that could last much longer on average. I'm just saying that even without that, 1000 years is just a starting point towards what's possible, and we likely be able to do significantly better then that.