Jiro comments on Ideas on growth of the community - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jiro 24 August 2015 02:48:16PM *  2 points [-]

So, i think you can write something that can be understood many ways, and add a disclaimer, "it's not the other thing"

You can try, but it's unlikely to work, because anyone who wants to be aggressive and lie about it can say exactly the same thing as you.

Would you mind explaining me how does that insult work?

Yes, I'd mind. Because you can reply "I don't understand your explanation (or I think your explanation is wrong), and since I don't understand it, I can keep using the insult".

That's wrong. You need to stop using insults whether you understand why they are insults or not. You can't use "I don't understand the insult" or "nobody has explained it to me properly" as an excuse to keep saying it.

Comment author: Lu93 22 September 2015 11:43:10AM -1 points [-]

You don't use some words only if you think the other guy would classify that as an insult (unless you want to insult him). If you dont know someone classifies something as an insult, you might use it on accident.

There is a set of rules that I use to describe an insult (which I have gotten from my culture). You have one, probably everybody has some set of rules. Some general set of rules. If my set of rules does not classify something as an insult, I will think it is safe to say that.

If it happens that I say something, which you consider an insult, and I don't, unless I understand what is it about, I will need to remember "never tell to Jiro that you love him" (I simplify for the sake of shortness, but there are other parameters inside that statement). I assume there is an underlying explanation behind your rule. This is probably not the only thing you would consider an insult and i wouldn't. Maybe you will consider an insult "I hate you", "I like your dog", "You love me", or whatever, but I cannot deduce that based on the "never tell Jiro that you love him".

Help me. I literary see chaos in your statements. I cannot deduce anything better than "Jiro (and maybe culture he is coming from) is quite different from the people (cultures) I faced already". I don't know if you can imagine that state of knowledge about something. It's mostly empty with only one example.

Comment author: Jiro 22 September 2015 02:56:22PM *  2 points [-]

If you dont know someone classifies something as an insult, you might use it on accident.

Well, now you know.

What I am trying to avoid is

  • I explain why the statement is an insult
  • You think "that's not a very good reason" or "that's not my motivation".
  • You decide that because you don't think the reason is very good, you can keep using it. Or you decide that because your motivation doesn't match the reason, you can keep using it.

I cannot deduce anything better than "Jiro (and maybe culture he is coming from) is quite different from the people (cultures) I faced already".

If you think I'm the only person who sees such things as insulting, and that the cultures you have already faced do not, you haven't been paying attention.

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