Dorikka comments on Absolute Authority - Less Wrong

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Comment author: bigjeff5 03 March 2011 05:24:25PM 0 points [-]

"God exists, he is omniscient, infallible, and he can make a boulder that he cannot lift."

You screwed that up, there is no contradiction there. God must too be omnipotent to make the argument you are looking for.

And really, it's not a contradiction any way. If he is all powerful, then certainly he has the ability to make a rock that he cannot lift if he so chooses. But, since he is all powerful, he can just as easily make that rock liftable again.

When you are given an absurd premise, absurd outcomes are logical.

Deductive conclusions are only absolute certainties relative to their premises. That is, the conclusion can never be more certain than the premise In fact, it will be at least as uncertain as the uncertainty of both premises combined. Since the premises can never be certain, the result of deductive reasoning is never certain either, only valid or invalid.

Comment author: bigjeff5 03 March 2011 10:55:30PM *  0 points [-]

I'm curious why this was voted down. If it was because my language was a little harsh, I assure you I did not mean to offend, I simply meant he made a mistake in the wording of the argument - omniscient means "all-knowing", omnipotent means "all-powerful". I'd be surprised to be voted down even though I was right on this matter.

If there is a problem with my reasoning after that, please do point it out to me rather than just voting me down. I'm new to Bayes, and as the Amanda Knox Test demonstrated, I often fail at reasoning. If this is such a case I would very much like to know about it. I can't see where I made the mistake though.

[Edit to change the Amanda Knox link to the original, instead of the spoiler]

Comment author: Dorikka 04 March 2011 04:42:15AM 2 points [-]

Please tell us when you are posting a spoiler for a rationality exercise. I clicked through your link and didn't catch that it was a spoiler fast enough for the exercise itself not to be spoiled.

Comment author: bigjeff5 04 March 2011 04:36:49PM 1 point [-]

I'm very sorry, I didn't consider that. I actually got to the original Amanda Knox post through the spoiler, but I stopped reading at the mention of the original and went straight to that one first.

I'll change the link so it doesn't trip anybody else up.