I didn't say those were comprehensive arguments for Veganism or Meateating, just that they're fairly succinct and compelling arguments against "don't need ideologies. Just get your nutrients somehow."

1. In your experience, are some equally nutritious foods tastier than others?

2. I'm confused that you would say "So?" to torture. Either you accept it as torture, in which case it being widespread is a big problem, or you don't, in which case you might want to say why not?