PhilGoetz comments on Is semiotics bullshit? - Less Wrong

13 Post author: PhilGoetz 25 August 2015 02:09PM

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 25 August 2015 02:54:26PM 3 points [-]

Okay, but I could say the same thing about logic.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 25 August 2015 03:06:37PM 0 points [-]

But what do you refer to, when you refer to "logic"? Do you perhaps mean boolean logic? Predicate logic? Propositional logic?

There's a common reference class, but no common implementation, when you point at "logic". Each kind of logic is incomplete, but that is fine, because each kind of logic is domain-specific, and you use the kind of logic which is most complete with respect to the problem you're interested in. Which actually raises a point about something you said:

Are there multiple "sciences" all using the name "semiotics"? Does semiotics make any falsifiable claims? Does it make any claims whose meanings can be uniquely determined and that were not claimed before semiotics?

Yes. No. No. The exact same things are true of "logic", however, in its broadest sense. It's only when you get into the specific "sciences" (or domains of logic) that anything interesting is allowed to happen.

Comment author: FrameBenignly 26 August 2015 01:55:42AM 0 points [-]

Okay, so then semiotics is mostly a set of proofs I take it. What, then, are the major assumptions underlying those proofs and which are the most important proofs built on those assumptions?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 28 August 2015 09:11:03PM 0 points [-]

Semiotics seems to be the idea that everything should be analyzed in terms of its communicative function.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 26 August 2015 03:37:23PM 0 points [-]

No. That explanation was a way of explaining why "semiotics" as a general field of study is not actually going to be able to say anything interesting at all.