buybuydandavis comments on Typical Sneer Fallacy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 01 September 2015 08:18:36AM 5 points [-]

I suspect how reader's respond to my anecdote about Eliezer will fall along party lines, so to speak.

My response, the moment I read the paragraph beginning "This is the point in the article where..." was, "This is the real subject of the post and will be a criticism of the person named. The preamble was written to generate priming and framing for the claims, which will be unsubstantiated other than by reference to a discussion somewhere else."

Comment author: calef 01 September 2015 02:37:26PM 2 points [-]

I mean, if you'd like to talk about the object level point of "was the criticism of Eliezer actually true", we can do that. The discussion elsewhere is kind of extensive, which is why I tried to focus on the meta-level point of the Typical Sneer Fallacy.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 01 September 2015 08:24:08PM 5 points [-]

"I'm going to use Joe as an example of The Bad Thing, but whether or not he actually is an example isn't the real point."

On my meta-level point, do you see how this would rankle a person's basic sense of fairness regardless of how they felt about Joe?

Comment author: calef 01 September 2015 08:34:26PM 1 point [-]

I never claimed whether he was or not wasn't Important. I just didn't focus on that aspect of the argument because it's been discussed at length elsewhere (the reddit thread, for example). And I've repeatedly offered to talk about the object level point if people were interested.

I'm not sure why someone's sense of fairness would be rankled when I directly link to essentially all of the evidence on the matter. It would be different if I was just baldly claiming "Eliezer done screwed up" without supplying any evidence.