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Comment author: TheAncientGeek 06 October 2015 01:59:54PM *  2 points [-]

In that case, it sounds like the "zombie" is the atheistic no-free-will scenario, while the "puppet" is the theistic no-free-will scenario?

Yep.

In that case, my argument is that the fact that people oppose each other quite strongly at times seems to suggest that we are not puppets

I don't see that. We make our own puppets fight, eg in video games.

Comment author: CCC 07 October 2015 10:47:39AM 2 points [-]

I don't see that. We make our own puppets fight, eg in video games.

...you make an excellent point. In fact, I think you've pretty much invalidated my entire (presented) argument for free will given the existence of God.

I have an alternative argument in favour of free will (given the existence of God) if you'd like to have a look over it - it requires not just God, but a (at least vaguely) benevolent God, which is why I didn't present it earlier (it requires more assumptions therefore it is a weaker argument).

In short, the alternative argument runs as follows; start with the assumption of a benevolent God (and noting the lack of malevolence in the laws of physics as at least weak evidence for the benevolence of a deity). Note that humans, unlike the laws of physics, are capable of being malevolent towards each other; extremely malevolent, in some cases. If they were puppets of a generally benevolent God, then that malevolence is out of place; and this is therefore evidence in favour of free will. (This also implies that God considers free will more important than preventing malevolence).