OrphanWilde comments on Instrumental Rationality Questions Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Dagon 28 September 2015 03:13:58PM 2 points [-]

Like all instrumental rationality, it depends on how it aligns with your terminal goals, and how you feel about conscious action which affects others' unconscious reactions. I'd recommend Cialdini or Carnegie as required reading alongside PUA thinking, so you can understand what parts are general human reactions and what parts are specific to sexualized interactions with a certain type of woman.

I do think that it's likely a true belief that most humans act and react in fairly hardwired ways, and understanding those reactions is beneficial for a whole lot of terminal desires. I don't think that Heartiste (or others in the PUA clique) are focusing on the right things for long-term happiness and shared self-reflective growth with a partner.

Comment author: LessWrong 28 September 2015 03:42:03PM *  5 points [-]

I don't think that Heartiste (or others in the PUA clique) are focusing on the right things for long-term happiness and shared self-reflective growth with a partner.

The thing I noticed with Heartiste is that he's anti-marriage because it's a two-way street and in his opinion a significant majority of women won't make good wives. In his view there's some sort of paradox where women want to attract commitment but don't put significant effort to make the commitment worthwhile to the man.

I can't say if he's right or not but I can't disagree with some of the things he lists.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 28 September 2015 04:32:59PM 7 points [-]

It's not as though men are reliably good partners, either.

If there's any good advice for identifying people who are likely to be reliable allies over the long haul (if they're treated decently), I'd like to see it.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 28 September 2015 06:34:16PM -2 points [-]

Offer them something you cannot afford. If they reject your offer, they will probably make good allies.

Comment author: Dahlen 04 October 2015 05:41:52AM 0 points [-]

Like an engagement ring? "Oh, you don't want to marry me, that makes you the perfect wife!"

Comment author: OrphanWilde 19 October 2015 06:02:28PM 0 points [-]

Not quite. A good ally is someone interested in your mutual well-being, and won't accept an offer that costs you more than it benefits them.

There are other ways of testing. That is my preferred approach.