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Comment author: VoiceOfRa 22 October 2015 08:18:19AM 8 points [-]

Its purpose seems to be to motivate people already convinced to actually do something,

In other words to motivate idiots to act on their stupidity.

or to spread awareness of a position (again, without arguing for it).

What exactly is "spread awareness" supposed to mean? It seems to mean "convince people using dark arts".

The obvious answer is "drug laws and mandatory sentences", and the article does propose to do away with them.

Drug laws have been around a lot longer than 40 years. As for mandatory sentences, they were introduced because crime was reaching unacceptable levels. So I don't think repealing them is a good idea without addressing the issue that made them necessary.

which is (as the article fails to mention but should have) similar to some European countries

The same European countries that have given up enforcing any sense of order in large parts of their major cities.

By the way, if you want to deal with some of the actual politically untouchable issues that make the problem unsolvable, you can start by looking at the correlation between race and violent crime.

Comment author: ike 22 October 2015 12:35:11PM -1 points [-]

Drug laws have been around a lot longer than 40 years

The enforcement and penalties were rewritten in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act. I'm not sure what your point is here.

In other words to motivate idiots to act on their stupidity.

Couldn't you criticize all advocacy on the same basis?

Spread awareness mean "make more people aware that position X exists and has advocates, even if they don't agree".

Re mandatory sentences, the ones for drug crimes were enacted because drugs crimes were increasing? Then if you concede that drug laws are wrong, those sentences shouldn't happen either.

The same European countries that have given up enforcing any sense of order in large parts of their major cities.

Which country are you talking about? Norway has a maximum, and does better than the US. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Norway/United-States/Crime

I haven't studied this in depth, but where's the argument that the US's prison system has led to better outcomes?