Lumifer comments on Rationality Quotes Thread October 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: AndHisHorse 26 October 2015 12:29:49PM 2 points [-]

An important part of the quote, it seems, is "may be" the most oppressive. Only if the goodness of these "omnipotent moral busybodies" is actually so different from our own that we suffer under it is there an issue; a goodness well-executed would perhaps never even be called a tyranny at all.

Comment author: Lumifer 26 October 2015 02:39:46PM -1 points [-]

I think you entirely missed the point.

Comment author: Philip_W 27 October 2015 07:42:15AM 6 points [-]

I don't think that helps AndHisHorse figure out the point.

Comment author: AndHisHorse 28 October 2015 12:20:46AM 2 points [-]

As best I understood it, the point was that one's belief in one's own goodness is a source of drive - and if that goodness is false, the drive is misaimed, and the greater drive makes for greater ill consequences.

I think we agree that belief in one's own goodness has the capability to go quite wrong, in such cases as the quote describes more wrong than an all-other-things-being-equal belief in one's own evil. Where we seem to disagree is on the inevitability of this failure mode - I acknowledge that the failure mode exists and we should be cautious about it (although that may not have come across), whereas you seem to be implying that the failure mode is so prevalent that it would be better not to try to be a good overlord at all.

Am I understanding your position correctly?

Comment author: Lumifer 28 October 2015 02:50:40PM 1 point [-]

Partially. Yes, I would assert that the failure mode you're talking about is prevalent (and point to a LOT of history to support that assertion; no one is evil is his own story). However the main point in the quote we're talking about isn't quite that, I think. Instead, consider such concepts as "autonomy", "individuality", and "diversity".