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I am not making claims about "any sense of order", but going by what I read European police lost control of some chunks of its territory.
Take Calais. Here is a sympathetic account which is actually a kinda-detective story: a body in a wetsuit washes up on Norway's shore and people are trying to figure out who-what-why. The clues lead to an immigrant camp in Calais and, well, it's pretty clear that the French state lost control there.
In this context that's what relevant, since VoiceOfRa talked about "European countries that have given up enforcing any sense of order in large parts of their major cities." If you aren't talking about that then how is it a relevant response?
In the context of "given up enforcing".
There's a difference between losing control and "giv[ing] up enforcing any sense of order"