AndHisHorse comments on Rationality Quotes Thread October 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: AndHisHorse 26 October 2015 12:29:49PM 2 points [-]

An important part of the quote, it seems, is "may be" the most oppressive. Only if the goodness of these "omnipotent moral busybodies" is actually so different from our own that we suffer under it is there an issue; a goodness well-executed would perhaps never even be called a tyranny at all.

Comment author: CCC 27 October 2015 07:57:58AM 2 points [-]

But, from the inside, how to you tell the difference between doing actual good for others or being an omnipotent moral busybody?

Comment author: AndHisHorse 28 October 2015 12:24:36AM 1 point [-]

Willingness to be critiqued? Self-examination and scrupulous quantities of doubt? This seems kind of like the wrong question, actually. "Actual good" is a fuzzy concept, if it even exists at all; a benevolent tyrant cares whether or not they are fulfilling their values (which, presumably, includes "provide others with things I think are good"). The question I would ask is how you tell the difference between actually achieving the manifestation of your values and only making a big show of it; presumably it's the latter that causes the problem (or at least the problem that you care about).

Then again, this comes from a moral non-realist who doesn't see a contradiction in having a moral clause saying it's good to enforce your morality on others to some extent, so your framework's results may vary.

Comment author: CCC 28 October 2015 07:12:13AM 1 point [-]

Willingness to be critiqued? Self-examination and scrupulous quantities of doubt?

Both of these will help. A lot.

"Actual good" is a fuzzy concept

True. One could go with "that which causes the greatest happiness", but one shouldn't be putting mood-controlling chemicals in the water. One could go with "that which best protects human life", but one shouldn't put humanity into a (very safe) zoo where nothing dangerous or interesting can ever happen to them.

This is therefore a major problem for someone actually trying to be a benevolent leader - how to go about it?

The question I would ask is how you tell the difference between actually achieving the manifestation of your values and only making a big show of it

I'd suggest having some metric by which your values can be measured, and measuring it on a regular basis. For example, if you think that a benevolent leader would do best by reducing crime, then you can measure that by tracking crime statistics.