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Comment author: entirelyuseless 21 November 2015 01:46:00PM *  0 points [-]

The United States currently has a Christian majority. And to the best of my knowledge, a large majority of people in charge of the government in all Western countries are currently Christians. That is certainly true of the present Supreme Court in the United States which legalized gay marriage, which is currently composed of six Catholics and three Jews.

If being majority Christian means being tyrannical, the USA is currently a tyranny, and so is every other Western country.

In which case what does this have to do with C.S. Lewis?

Comment author: Jiro 22 November 2015 03:43:48AM 0 points [-]

.If being majority Christian means being tyrannical, the USA is currently a tyranny, and so is every other Western country.

The US is majority Christian, but not majority alieving-Christians.

Comment author: EHeller 22 November 2015 04:26:40AM 1 point [-]

I don't think that is true? There is a huge contingent of evangelicals (last I checked, a bit under half of Americans believe in creationism), it only takes a few non-creationist but religious Christians to get to a majority.

Comment author: Tem42 22 November 2015 04:41:40PM 0 points [-]

I think you are missing a critical point -- most people seriously don't care about the age of the Earth, at all. So if you ask someone "did God create the Earth in its present form", you are not identifying whether or not someone is a young Earth creationist, but simply giving the prompt "do you believe in God enough to say 'yes' on a random survey?"

One survey found that 25% of Americans don't know that the Earth orbits the sun. This seems like a non-religious question to me, and thus I am willing to take it as a general indicator of 'how much Americans care about basic science'. So I would split that 42% into two groups: 'Americans who strongly believe that God created the Universe in its present form' = 17% (ish), 'Americans who guessed wrong and/or would like to weakly signal that they are Christians' = 25% (ish).

Most people just don't care enough to alieve about science. However, I suspect that more people do care enough to alieve about politics, and are willing to base their political ingroup on religion.

Comment author: Jiro 22 November 2015 10:27:57AM -1 points [-]

Whether someone is an alieving Christian can be hard to determine because of where you set your threshhold--typically people act as though some things about Christianity are true but not others. But entirelyuseless brought it up in the context of the people who run the government and I think it's exceptionally clear that most of them aren't. I certainly doubt that the members of the Supreme Court who voted for gay marriage are either evangelicals or religious Christians.

Comment author: entirelyuseless 22 November 2015 02:17:12PM 4 points [-]

Christianity is not a unified body of doctrine, and a very plausible explanation for why people typically "act as though some things about Christianity are true but not others" is that they in fact believe that some things are true but not others.

Comment author: Jiro 22 November 2015 06:37:39PM *  0 points [-]

That's the inverse of "no true Scotsman". "No true Scotsman" refers to the situation where you arbitrarily exclude people who you don't want to count as members of a class, by saying "that isn't really Christian". In this case, you can arbitrarily include people who you do want to count, by saying that any non-Christian things about them aren't really non-Christian.

Then every Christian can count as a religious Christian.